You’re hopeless.

Loved ones being murdered by superheroes and their sons wanting vengeance for said murders is “flimsy story?”

Martin Freeman wasn’t portraying Thunderbolt Ross. That was Wiilam Hurt reprising his role. Freeman is Everett K Ross, a supporting character to Black Panther.

Exactly. Steve and Tony’s motivations are completely within character, and everyone else’s are informed by their prior experiences.

And can I just be the last person to say that Chris Evans is a bloody amazing actor - he’s taken a character that could be all kinds of boring and potentially jingoistic and made him an actual hero.

People have said that? Wow. The whole point was that they didn’t really want to hurt each other, but each side had their goals that just happened to be mutually exclusive.

You mean to tell me that Martha does not stop the war? I’m disappointed. /s

In many ways at least part of the film is about Stark’s Mummy & Daddy issues - the confrontation with the grieving mother, yielding to domineering dad Thunderbolt Ross (I just wish Betty slapped him in the last Hulk film), a sort of brotherly jealousy/hatred towards Cap and his perfect teeth and Dead Dad’s approval,…

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Oh look they did a Spiderman origin story without - DOING AN ORIGIN STORY! All those years Sony kept trying to make us excited by a story we already knew - and it turns out it wasn’t necessary at all.

Saw it last night and in my opinion it was wonderful!!! I don’t feel like it dragged at the beginning though character development was needed. It really dug deep into the conflict for me. I was always Team Cap because I don’t like the thought of any ruling power holding control of a group of enhanced people. I…

I too think the Russos had more control than Trank did on F4, but that didn’t save BvS when Snyder had control. The problem with BvS wasn’t the fact that it was done by committee, but who was on the committee.

But if you want the audience to be invested in the story and characters, you have to let them learn about the story and characters.

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But then Lincoln comes back as a vampire.

No spoilers.

Is this what you wanted? Was it worth it?

At least it appears to actually go somewhere for the characters rather then just be brought up once and never mentioned again and has no further thematic relevance like in Crazy Steve v. Super Jesus.

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I am SO happy this movie is good. We often complain about having too many characters (Spiderman 3) or too many plot threads (Avengers 2) or both (BvS), and how that can bog down the narrative. But the truth is that with good writing and good directing, those things are completely viable (X-men 2).
I don’t get why this…