I don’t grasp it because it doesn’t make any sense. Every white woman pop performer who’s ever called herself a feminist hasn’t by virtue of that taken on an obligation to speak out every time another white woman pop performer has a gender-related issue arise, and they sure as hell don’t have any more of an obligation…

Which is why I said earlier in this conversation that I have no problem with calling her out on her record of activism to the extent it suffers from her not recognizing her privilege. But taking her to task for not piping up about one particular issues without knowing why or whether there are reasons she isn’t…

Being in the same industry doesn’t make one personally involved in a situation.

Oh damn, I forgot about the impermeable sexism shield they give women when they succeed in their careers that keeps them from being harassed or held to different standards than men forevermore.

Then call out the tons of guys who’ve called themselves feminists and who are actually in the position of power by virtue of their gender. Don’t call out a member of the oppressed group and say it’s her burden to do work to fix this by virtue of having labeled herself a feminist while being silent about the men who’ve…

So Taylor as a famous woman will get tons of shit if she doesn’t call herself a feminist but if she does she takes on the additional obligation of not just succeeding in her own career as an example of being a successful woman but also putting energy into speaking out in support of other women in situations she’s not…

When has she called herself a feminist leader?

Criticize her record and the things she’s chosen to speak out about you want to and that they come from a position of privilege, but saying she’s not a good feminist because she’s not taking on this one particular issue is totally bullshit. We don’t know why she might or might not be speaking out about it. For all we…

Has Taylor ever used feminism to call out people who were uninvolved in an issue of her yet failed to spontaneously show her support? If she has I’m unaware of it. My memory is that she’s called out other women actively saying mean/hurtful things about her, but since as far as I know she hasn’t said anything negative…

But every male in the music industry hasn’t been told that they’re a bad feminist if they don’t speak out about this one particular issue.

Wait wait wait, by virtue of being born a woman I take on the responsibility to not only work harder than men to achieve the same things, but also to put more energy than men have to into emotionally supporting every other woman in my industry who encounters gender-related issues? Otherwise I’m not a feminist?

I don’t. By virtue of being born a woman one doesn’t have to speak out on every women’s issue in order to be opposed to the oppression one faces.

For real? To be a feminist one somehow takes on the burden of putting one’s energy into every feminist cause, and you’re a bad feminist of you don’t? It’s the responsibility of women who are already putting their energy into gaining and retaining power in a male-dominated industry (energy that men don’t have to give)…

But your statement rests on the assumption that people vote for policies. They don’t. They vote for a person, and that person either gets the nomination or not, wins the general election or not, and shepherds legislation through congress or not. So intersectional feminists shouldn’t vote for “whichever policies help…

Yes, explaining things that are true are true is awful and yelling at your constituents to “shut up!” when they make valid criticisms is a-okay. That makes tons of sense.

“Shut up” is not ever an acceptable response for a leader, and especially not a world leader, even when being interrupted. It’s also one of a variety of time he’s taken poorly to criticism, like sarcastically commenting about how often he’s used the word “black.”

I am very over the crime bill thing. Between its affect having been overstated (http://www.slate.com/articles/news_…) to the fact that it was supported by pretty much everyone at the time due to the crime wave, including black leaders (http://www.slate.com/articles/news_…) to the fact that as you say, she’s not the…

I don’t remember him being pro-Hamas, just questioning pro-Israel justifications and asking about Palestinians’ rights to resist aggression, but either way, not an acceptable response to constituent talking about a political issue.

She’s been dealing with republican attacks for 25 years, I think she knows how to handle herself when people throw baseless accusations at her. Laughing when someone accuses you of something laughable is exactly the correct response - taking it seriously gives it much more weight than it deserves.

It’s really, really not a valid theory, particularly since 90% of the Berniebros I deal with are people I’ve known for 10+ years who wouldn’t campaign for Clinton.