I think The Bechdel Test is a pretty good starter but it can't be the whole conversation. And there are some movies it just doesn't work on (Gravity is a good example of a film that the Bechdel test fails). But I still think it's relevant as a "bare minimum" type thing for most movies.

The Zooey Deschanel backlash was pretty ugly, if you ask me. Critiquing the roles she was in was acceptable but it turned into a mean-spirited attack on her own character. Who gives a shit if she wants to be "fun and quirky?" But then New Girl became a critical/fan hit and everyone seemed to forget they hated her so…

Most of the critics who piss on Parsons are the internet-y critics that we all follow. Don't forget that a lot of the critics are more "mainstream" critics who love shows like Big Bang Theory, Modern Family, ect.

Eh, even if B99 is a better *comedy* than OITNB, OITNB is a much better show so I'm not mad about it winning.

It is not at all a valid critique. If you can only identify with characters who are exactly like you, you're doing it wrong.

There's a generalized belief that having a lot of drama helps comedies, probably because the Oscars are so biased against straight comedies, but I actually think it's more of the other way around with the Emmys. The last time a "dramadey" took the award was in 1999 for Ally McBeal.

I feel the same way but if it takes the award away from Modern Family then I am 100% on board.

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To be fair, it was a great decade for TV.

The wrong show won.

Somehow I hate this silly thing more with every round.

I wouldn't really pinpoint "bullshit social fights over gay marriage" to be a bad thing, because it was the first time that gay marriage was even allowed to be a conversation.

I think that's probably The Point (comparing disparate things is ultimately meaningless). But I feel like we're taking a strange road there.

I'm partial to the movie about the dead cat lady, myself.

My entire case doesn't have legs because of one word? Obviously we have different definitions of the word "prestige" - I consider it to basically mean "acclaimed" and you consider it to be shows only watched by blue-haired aristocrats, whatever that means - but "drama" was really the important word there.

Well, what is a "prestige" show, then? Shows that only rich people watch? Do those exist? It's not really a secret that shows like Hannibal and The Good Wife appeal to the more artsy cable-loving crowd, and that crowd is often more well-off, no? Not *always*, but often. I'm pretty sure The Good Wife even topped one of…

I just mean that they're "prestige dramas" in that they're highly acclaimed dramas, which are generally seen as "better" than stuff like sitcoms and genre/sci-fi shows.

I think Veep is also a pretty cold show. It's not really *about* anything other than "politics are terrible!". It specifically backs away from having a point of view because that's the point of the show. One of the reasons this season was better than previous ones was because that changed a bit and they actually made…

There are elements of AD where I would argue you're supposed to at least feel for and understand the characters. It's not like, Community, but there's definitely more empathy there than there is with Veep.

Yeah, Broad City is fantastic. At least Alasdair's write-up about it was pretty nice.