Imagine the shitshow if Joan Rivers wasn’t already dead. Basically, Griffin has built her career on Joan’s skeleton, and that’s fine. But Joan would’ve murdered Trump *and* his kids, and she never would’ve apologized. Because, like her or not, she was Joan Rivers and she did not break character.

What is this? Ugh. She should have either stood by her shit or not done it.

I am trying to eat lunch, for God’s sake!!!!

Being a Trump is the only thing traumatizing Barron.

Just a point of clarification on the makeup of the fanbases: while the overall Shameless audience is definitely not primarily queer, the online Gallavich fanbase (on tumblr and twitter) is. The 100 is different in that their online fanbase is most of their audience (which is why their response to Lexa's death was so…

Do you think they're hoping Fisher still might come back? It still seems that way to me.

Maybe you didn't see it that way because you weren't looking closely enough. Which is fine! If you don't care about how the writers treated Mickey after he left, then don't care. Others of us do. But your lack of interest in it doesn't mean we have to ignore it just because you, personally, don't want to talk about it.

In writing about this, I worked to emphasize these are not comparable situations based on the makeup of the fanbases: the fact is that whereas Clexa has drawn a distinctly queer fanbase, the same doesn't necessarily seem to be the case anecdotally with Shameless, and so I think while both focus on marginalized groups,…

the problem is the immediacy of it. 20 years ago if you wanted to take umbrage at a writer or whoever you had ot sit down and write a letter then send it to the network and hope they forwarded it on. Not alot of people would bother I imagine. Now tweeting/Facebooking is built into the watching process to the point…

i also wanted to add that this isn't new. creators of media have been trying to please fans for ages. sure, social media has made it a whole hell of alot easier and faster but this symbiotic relationship has been occurring since the beginning.

I agree; they spent so little time on the aftermath of the relationship that the context of Ian's remarks was never clarified (is this what the show sees as the truth? Is Ian being flippant as a way to distance himself from his past?). It came across as a simplistic way to say "Mickey = bad boyfriend, Caleb = good…

If that ship was why the show got renewed; they'd probably have actually had her in the second season as more than a cameo.

I would call myself a shipper in some respects, because there are some canon and non-canon relationships in which I'm fairly invested. I think, though, when you start consuming media for the sole reason that you're invested in a particular relationship, you're just setting yourself up for disappointment.

I don't think I've seen a show where they retcon everything about a previous *5 year relationship (who knows the timeline on this show, the writers don't) and as viciously as Shameless is doing. Which leads me to think that something shady went on behind the scenes.

I actually do think it's quite rude to accuse me of having flawed perception (putting characters on a pedestal, feeling I am owed things) just because I see things differently than you do. And if you don't feel offended by any of this, that's nice for you, but the article is about the fans who do.

Yes, I see it this way, which is why I said it. And regardless of your feelings about it, I'm describing a circumstance that many fans believe to be true, which contributed to the reactions this article is describing. There's really no need to be rude just because you disagree.

One aspect of shading this article is missing re: Shameless is the way the writers attacked Mickey's memory after he was gone. In the course of developing Ian's new romance, they found it necessary to tear down his previous one, having various characters toss in random insults and in a few cases attempting to outright…

We can call it what we want - they still had a right to tell a story where the character died, like any other.

Sure, the networks expect it. And I'm sure they have some real foolproof logic justifying it. Probably something like, "Hey, the internet likes genre stuff. You better get on the internet."

Well, yeah and no.