I don't think Dawn was necessarily a bad person before the apocalypse or during the early fight-or-flight stages of the apocalypse, but I do think the apocalypse has driven her mad, and her type of madness makes it so she believes that life under her leadership even when you're being raped constantly is the best type…

You can be a bad person without being evil and Dawn is certainly a bad person. If a catholic bishop knowingly allowed his priests to rape people because they were good at maintaining the status quo, you would call that bishop a bad person. On top of that, Dawn only "helps" people believes she can control, and she sees…

Yeah, I don't know who said it to me first, but at least two people were trying to make the case for justifiable homicide based on the idea that they, the employees, had as much right to be there in the middle of the night as the homeowner. It's untrue and it's unnecessary when you can make a much simpler lie based on…

The proof thing. If they immediately went with the Wes saved Rebecca's life thing, then yeah they could take pictures and maybe? get fingerprints.

Yeah, I think there's room for him to still be a good guy. Noah did say he was one of the good ones. Did they ever ask Noah if Dawn could be negotiated with? My memory is fuzzy on that.

1. Did they really leave her to guard all three officers?
2. Just because he tried to get away, doesn't mean he's a bad guy. It also doesn't mean the advice that he gave was bad. If it were any of our survivors in that situation, we'd cheer them for thinking on their feet.

That's better than, "They had every right to be there" ad nauseum. Having a plausible reason for being there is a completely different thing from "having every right" to be there.

We're operating in a world where a fired/suspended detective is doing a private, possibly illegal investigation into the murder on his own to get his job back and possibly get revenge on the woman he was committing adultery with, but, sure, if we want to assume that every other detective and district attorney in this…

Again, you're not understanding me. Nothing that I said in my last comment contradicts anything you wrote in this comment. I already said you could make a good argument for JH, but the actual truth doesn't lend itself to a JH.

If they came up with that in the heat of the moment. Then yeah, they'd have proof he attacked Rebecca.

It's one thing to say, "I had a good reason for being there." It's a completely different thing to say, "I work there so I have every right to be there on any given night of the week." It's actually easier to build the story around the fact that Mikayla was invited in and that the sudden sight of Rebecca sent her into…

You misinterpreted or ignored my first two sentences. I'm not saying they couldn't have made the argument. I'm saying that the facts of what happened wouldn't lead someone to that conclusion. Of course, the kids could have been smarter and easily come up with a justifiable homicide defense like all you in the comments…

I got no problem with that. However, the detective would quickly figure it out. I'm not saying that's a monkeywrench because the detective would have to reveal his involvement in order to put a few kids on the hook for the murder of a murderer he was trying to catch.

In fact if the homeowner had killed Rebecca, you would have a legitimate insanity/stand your ground defense seeing as how he got knocked from the top floor of his home and left for dead while the perpetrators right next to his body plotting on how to get away with it.

You could make an argument in court and maybe win. I'm simply saying that what we saw was not actually black and white justifiable homicide.

this is fine, but this is making an argument. I feel like none of y'all are listening. I'm sure a good lawyer could make a good argument, but what we witnessed was not justifiable homicide. Wes and Rebecca would both be looking at jail time. They went into that house to do something illegal, the homeowner got violent…

I got to respond to everyone. If you don't have house keys, then you don't have a right to be in that house. Just because you have a valid reason to be in there, doesn't make your presence there okay with the homeowners or the dead guy. You guys are arguing what kind of case you could make. Sure she could argue it,…

None of them have keys to the house. They do not have a legal right to be in that home. It's their work place when their overseers dictate not their residence.

You wrote it like a statement of fact. If you initially said what you just said, I wouldn't have made that argument. However, I don't know if that's the case at this point. They don't have any proof that he attacked Rebecca, and the only person that they can prove invited them was Mikayla.

Yup, Winterbottom rules.