I mean, this comes down to my idiosyncratic read of TLJ too, but what it becomes is an interesting story full of Star Wars-branded content which is engaging on its own terms, but at the same time it’s fundamentally incompatible with the other content in the IP (which is a pretty big problem if you happen to be making…

Even the actors in these things appear to be bamboozled into thinking they’re in the MCU.

To be clear, I love the movies, so I don’t think it’s a decline quality-wise. Hell, I’ll defend Multiverse of Madness, Eternals and The Marvels.

I feel like what they should have done with the Venom movies is have a first movie where Eddie gets the symbiote and has to run from some power-crazed military organization and/or fighting against some soldier that gets augmented and goes rogue. In the second movie more symbiotes land on Earth and are captured by an…

Certainly in his early days, but after he became an anti-hero pretty quickly. He was introduced in 1988 and by 1993 Marvel gave him his own limited series “Lethal Protector” where they solidified him as firmly having a foot on the hero side of the fence, though still retaining his 90s bad boy personal. In the run up…

I mean, Marvel certainly has a role in the decline of the MCU

I think that’s the retrofitted version of the character, but Venom wasn’t a hero in any sense. He was a murderer. A straight-up villain.

I went on a 90s Venom reading spree this summer thanks to Marvel’s Epic Collection volumes, which collects every story* of a character in chronological.

Same. Do you ever get caught up in something, or pulled a little farther into the next room, and when you return, you don’t completely understand the jump in scenes, so you ask yourself, “Do I care enough about this movie to rewind a bit?” And then there are the times when I answer myself, “No.” This movie sounds like…

A plane was also the best setting to watch Fant4stic. Especially if you have trouble sleeping on flights.

Yeah I idly watched the first one expecting to probably turn it off, but Hardy’s performance is pretty amusing, and even the inferior second movie is still broadly within the “dumb fun” band of movies rather than “ugh fuck this” (which even some MCU movies drop down into, hello Eternals and Far From Home - but very…

I think Venom was elevated just that little bit by Tom Hardy being funny. The movies weren’t all that great(the second one was especially dopey) but I liked his performance in both. 

There’s a Madam Web on the side of the plane!

That would be an amazingly great decision to put Lord & Miller in charge.  But if they butted heads with Pascal, I think they’d be Solo’d.

Yeah, they definitely made tons of money. And hey, I’m a guy that grew up reading 90s comics and loved Venom, so I’m not generally opposed to the character. But I watched both of those movies more or less agape that this is actually the best that Sony has managed to do. Morbius was shockingly bad, and Kraven can’t…

Theory is out there that even actors can’t tell what is the MCU and what is the store brand, which is how you get normally big-movie-averse-in-recent-years Dakota Johnson in one of these.

They are awful, but for some reason Venom is a super-popular character, so they didn’t tank as badly as they should have.

I’d disagree. They are awful.

I challenge you to find a single person that legitimately thought this movie would be good.  

What’s the worst comic book movie of all time? This sounds so much worse than most of the usual suspects (Green Lantern, Fantastic Four, Steel).