Hold up. Gwen Stefani is 50. If this really is Gwen, then I quit.

Triggered much, Grumpy Bird?

lol. Men are terrified of losing face, more than just about anything in the world. It’s why they go out of their way to treat other men with respect so long as those other men do the same. So when one fails to follow this respect code, the other feels forced to respond, and it escalates into this stupid ass pissing…

Yup, and this.

Except for that one time in a job interview when I cried about how much I like beer and sports.

Yes. And 2019 will be even stupider. 

I’ve never been in a bar fight, but I was a waitress and then a bartender for about five years so I’ve seen several of them. The way guys talk about them, it’s all tough dudes being macho and in their minds I’m sure they were throwing knock out punches and all that.

Wish him no ill will, but he looks like a middle aged divorced gym dad who still dresses like a teenager. Guys that press a lot get big in the chest and arms like that. It can be a fun personal challenge, so good for him if he’s enjoying it. And there are probably people who think it looks hot. To me, it looks like a…

I’m around a lot of people who use they/them pronouns. While this might vary with region and community, I’ve never heard anyone use “They is...” It’s always been “They are...”. Most of the time, it does not require you to change the grammar of the statement at all (They’re sitting on the couch. They’re ready to go.) 

Yes, that’s why I said “for people”. I suppose using “it” would be easier because it would not require changing any linguistic habits, but it would be dehumanizing. I guess one could argue that this could change as easily as making “they” mean one person, but as that article points out, it’s loaded and screams “this…

Nonsense. First off I’m bicultural and Half my family is in India and most of the languages of the subcontinent are gendered- there are so many languages there that I hesitate to say all of them are, but certainly most, in the north and the south. Most European languages are gendered as well, and not just the…

lol, yeah when you speak a language since early childhood, there is no reason to learn the grammar. It’s just the way it is- you know it all intuitively. To get the structure of the language you have to either study it or teach it later.

ha ha ha

I know it gets confusing on Jez with the way the threads are jumbled. But the conversation in which I called you out was with the OP, Jerry, who simply wrote this:

You might want to re-read the thread. The comment I’m referring to is the one that you sent to the OP who has been thoughtful and polite and argued no such thing. I have no idea what your other conversations are about. 

That’s what I said. “There is more than one suggestion” which is evidence that it is, in fact, confusing.

As Spanish is a gendered language, however, it is complicated and unwieldy. It does not require simply using a different pronoun like it does in English. It also means that the articles, adjectives, nouns all…

It’s OK. It’s super complicated.

The reason it’s easier for us (in English) to use “they/them” rather than something like “ze” is because our brains already have a habit for it. So we can do it mostly without thinking about it- the language is already set up so that we can make our sentences agree even if we use the…

Trollfa, I don’t think you understand this which is OK because it is confusing which is exactly the point of why you can’t change things like this quickly.

El is the subject pronoun. It’s the “He”. It’s singular.

Lo, Le is the object pronoun. It’s the “him”. It’s also singular but in Spanish there is a difference…

What in the world is this in response to?

eta: El is the masculine singular subject pronoun, not the only masculine pronoun. El is “he”, Ellos is masculine “they”, then lo, los for masculine object pronouns (singular him, plural them) and le, les for indirect objects which happen to be gender neutral in Spanish. All as…

You can’t change language quickly. It’s not going to happen. Circles that learn to use the language naturally and without thinking about it are going to be those that need it regularly, so social groups or organizations that include a lot of non binary people. It’s like jargon in that way- it becomes very easy for…

Well it must be confusing because what you are saying directly contradicts what non binary Spanish speakers have asked me to use. So either we are confused or there is more than one suggestion. I’ve never heard that we should use “les” which is plural and gender neutral to refer to a single non binary person. I’ve…