Wait a minute. When you said he initiated adoption of Dylan and the boy (I don’t remember his name)- those were his kids with Mia right? Why would he have to adopt his own kids?

Of course they don’t. I don’t see what that has to do with my point.

I’m going to assume you are actually asking.

This is an old thread, so I’m not sure what you are replying to, but if it is the post of mine above this, then I don’t see what your response has to do with it. I don’t see where I said medication was hard to get. I said treatment for depression is hard to get. Medication works, at best, as well as placebos- that’s…

If I were taking it from a hateful place, I would not be engaging with you. I’m not responding to what you like or dislike- that’s up to you. I’m responding to your reasons which initially lacked reflection and were steeped in some socialization and assumptions that I think you should examine which you have been doing…

It’s his best song IMO.

Could be. But over the top caricatures are basically the point of drag.

Nah, I don’t think you need help to learn to like something you don’t really like. That’s not the point. If you don’t like it, fine. I think people are just trying to get you to examine your reasoning behind not liking it. Some of the generalizations or assumptions you’ve made and the role of socialization and…

Oh yes, exactly. That’s sort of the whole point. There are maybe 20 famous (and by famous, I mean in the community) drag kings, of which maybe a quarter have gotten any media attention? Now imagine what could happen if they had the same access to national platforms, stylists, money, reality shows, big competitive club…

Yup, good stuff.

I get what you mean, and I think it’s mostly because it’s a smaller community and fairly new with no money or media attention. So you have a smaller pool from which to fish talent in the first place, and then that talent has had no help or platform. In another thread, I linked you to a performance by Julious Fever…

That’s a great analogy, thanks. The point is suspension of disbelief, not passing (those are two different things), and while part of suspension of disbelief is in the talent of the performer (and I agree there are more good drag queens out there than drag kings for obvious reasons), the other big part of suspension…

I really think you need to question your own bias regarding your focus on the drag queens making you forget they are men. I don’t see how anyone can look at even an excellent performance by RuPaul and pretend he’s passing. RuPaul does not look like a woman. He does a very convincing performance of a female theatrical…

I feel the opposite and I’m probably going to have a different group of people come at me. But I’m so fucking sick of men that I’ve stopped liking drag queens because there’s an element of it that is men performing a man’s idea of what a woman is. And I’m just over men’s opinions of women.

Yes I agree with this too. There are also women who are drag queens because that community has had more visibility and more traditions. So the female talent is more isolated and also split. But I think it’s growing right now and as a few become famous, it will spread and develop. I’m sure drag queens looked a lot…

No one can discuss this question with you what it is unless you tell us what experience you have with drag kings.

Yes exactly. It’s like everything else. People jump in without having seen it first and talk about something they know nothing about. The truth is that when it’s women doing something, people start from the assumption that it’s not as interesting, even if they don’t believe that’s what they are doing. If you haven’t…

Seriously. I have no idea why this person is going on about passing.

Have you been to a drag king show?

Hyper femininity is not just about ornamentation. It’s also about objectification and sexualization, both of which the drag queen community manages to embrace in ways that are obviously palatable to many people. Hyper masculinity does also involve ornamentation, it’s just that these are the default ornaments so you…