Whoa. While I know damn well there are people like that (I’ve worked with them too), I don’t see any reason to perpetuate stereotypes in the opposite direction either. If your workplace has such a toxic bro culture, I’m sorry- that really sucks. But certainly that’s not the norm in most fields.

Yup but they also have pageants for TODDLERS. So it’s not surprising.

Or if it were a celebration of actual teenage athletes, not just pretty bodies in athletic wear.

Please tell me those aren’t teenagers in this contest?

That all makes sense. I didn’t imply that it didn’t exist. I asked about her experience because I don’t know what it’s like. I know about wider issues of socialization, and I agree there. But it’s totally different for someone to express what it feels like in their own words.

There is a similar thing happening here, except it’s not gentrification. The situation we have are some not-so-great public schools, a relatively cheap private school, and a decent charter school that is a 20 minute drive away. So the charter school attracts the working and lower middle class (people who own cars and…

Wow. That was great.

Preach!

Are you from Maryland? You know a lot about this woman there. I know nothing about Maryland schools (I’m in Texas!) or any of these people. But I’ve worked with several great TFA veterans and teachers. The program itself is horrible and generally TFA teachers do not continue, but there are always individual success…

TFA is a terrible program, but people who are on the outside generally think it’s a good idea because it SOUNDS nice.

That’s always a tricky situation. It increases inequality between schools, but at the same time, I don’t know how we can improve non-charter public schools while they are still under the thumb of testing and state/fed requirements. Charter schools have a lot more freedom. It’s not a long-term solution, but short term…

Right, but what I’m asking is about the indirect cost to your career when you have to take off to have kids and/or are the primary caregiver. Most women I know (not all!) never recover the ambition and time and competitiveness that they have before kids. So I didn’t just mean adjusted for the time on maternity leave…

Why? I don’t know what this is like as I’ve never had the sort of job that you had to request raises. Mine were always clear cut, on a time line, and according to performance evaluations. There was never any asking for anyone. So why does it scare you and why does it scare women more than men?

Again, it just annoys me when people make statements like that. Sometimes you have jobs that require more work, and then when people tell you it’s your own fault, it’s adding insult to injury.

YES EXACTLY. Especially your last paragraph! This is exactly what I saw happening all around me as our friends had kids. The women never recovered their careers in any ambitious way for exactly those reasons. However, I think this study actually SUPPORTS this point of view by accounting for that time. Women work 45…

Yup, I’ve heard that a lot too. I wonder if anyone has ever studied if there is any truth to it? I have a lot of friends in Silicone Valley now that work for companies that are (apparently, according to them) going out of their way to make sure they provide equal pay and safeguards to keep women competitive after…

Yes, and a different set of headlines could actually use this study to refute that point since all the hours are accounted for.

I wouldn’t think so, but the US is famously difficult during layovers and yet you can walk into the main pre-security area of any airport and just hang out for hours without anyone asking you for an ID or ticket. I’m not even sure I disagree with that or if most of the security measures help at all. Just wondering.

I totally get the annoyance with those headlines. But not with the study which seems to accurately account for the discrepancy in paid work hours.

That’s nice for you. Not all jobs work that way. Try to imagine that different experiences exist.