We are going in circles regarding the issue of women’s health.

Cheating is complex- there are all sorts of reasons people do it. And women cheat as often as men, so I wouldn’t call this a misogynist thing necessarily. Not to say that it is ever correct to be dishonest to people who trust you- that’s a whole level of shittiness of its own. But it really doesn’t have anything to do…

I don’t know. I have shaved my legs in public showers before because that is generally where I have my daily shower during the work week as I go to the gym before work. But maybe I’m a weirdo! Anyway, my point was more general than that- that perhaps in the design of showers, the fact that women take longer and/or do…

Yup totally agree. I’m just saying their stance is more consistent- not less insane or less brutal - just more consistent. But perhaps you are correct that they aren’t actually motivated by the religious belief but more just by punishing women. This is a thing too-like the idea that a woman should be married to her…

When men respond with “not all men” they are actually contributing to the problem and being a part of what they are trying to exclude themselves from. The way you demonstrate "not all men" is by being a feminist, and the appropriate response from a "not all men" man is to listen, rage with women, and call your male…

I think it's the frustration of their sense of entitlement running into the reality that they aren't all that. I mean, their only options to deal with this are to reflect that A) maybe they aren't all that or B) maybe it's everyone else's fault.

Yes but it is at the core, emotionally, of the whole anti-choice mindset. This is why I almost have more respect for those insane hardliners who are anti-choice even in the case of rape and incest because at least it is consistent with the idea that a “soul” is valuable in and of itself rather than with the idea that…

Ah, but death or physical ailment is nothing compared to the guilt that a woman feels at not living up to the highest embodiment of the female experience- motherhood. I mean, true motherly love requires sacrifice. It's noble to die in the service of a baby.

Yes that’s true, but it’s more than that even. The fact is, no one is entitled to attention or conversation from anyone. You could be the best catch in the sea- the most awesome guy in the world who would never do anything harmful to anyone- and I’m still perfectly within my rights just to not want to talk to you for…

Well what you can do about it is to be a vocal ally to women. Tell people, especially other men, that you are feminist. Reclaim that word. And call your guy friends out when they are acting like misogynists. Naturally, also, support feminist legislation.

Also, sorry that the tone of this is sort of angry. I'm actually not angry at all at what you are saying in your perfectly calm discussion. I was posting in another thread that was making me rage, and I carried those feelings over to this discussion. I mean what I said, but I didn't mean to say it like that, if you…

Yes, I’ve heard some of those speeches. I don’t know if the women I heard speaking got paid for it or not. I’m sure there are women who regret their abortions. I don’t understand the logic behind removing choice though- it infuriates me. Like, they were allowed to make a choice and now think they made the wrong one,…

Yes that may be. But you disagree based on your experience of rarely being out in a public restroom that is not at your workplace. So I don’t understand how you can keep making arguments about the experience of women who ARE frequently out in public restrooms that are not their workplace. Also, yet again, you’ve…

I know. The rage. I can’t even...

You are kicking ass with all your logic and rational arguments!

Yes, but I think that people who conflate the two when making an argument against abortion are being selfish and thinking emotionally. My reproductive organs work just fine and I have no desire to have children. I’m also prochoice, and if I ever became pregnant (highly unlikely but IF) then I would have an abortion…

Oh I should have scrolled down a bit before I posted what I just said because you said this in a much better way. Also, thanks for the article suggestion- this is exactly the feeling I've had about it, but it will be nice to read it in more detail.

I know. It blows my mind. Brainwashing? What I've found is that there are some people who can understand situations when THEY are in them, but can't understand others. Like, my abortion was valid because of X circumstances, but most of you are just sluts. It's fascinating how many prolifers have actually had an…

Nonsense. Women are frequently out in public and using the restroom alone. The majority of the time I’m in public, I am not with another person, man or woman.

I think some of the reason is that men do fewer things in the shower. It’s faster for them, traditionally, as well. Women are more likely to have longer hair to wash, but also they shave legs in the shower which is time consuming and puts you in all sorts of contorted positions, and finally they have periods which…