But again, historically, when women were *only* scantily clad in officially sexy places, women's public freedom was much more precarious. I'm giving up on the public-modesty piece of my second-wave feminism because it doesn't seem to work. I still believe that coquetting (suggesting tit-for-tat) for direct advantage…

So would I, but I don't care what the media says.

Nudity has always been considered a symbol of sexuality

Locking someone up until they're 40 is also, hey, all kinds of creepy and illegal, and characteristic of the most most shitty parents.

Don't we? I thought Adele was as big as Rihanna.

I'd like to hear them duet, actually.

And note: dressing more modestly *didn't work*: it just limited the physical activity and safety of women while making them vulnerable to `poorly dressed! fair game!' charges. Eventually you had to be rich, idle, and literally dressed by the efforts of another woman to be *definitely* proper and above mistreatment;…

It is legal in a couple of places I've lived. I believe the Portland rule is that you can be naked, but if you're trying to scare or corner people nakedness is an aggravation to the charge. Seattle has had more-or-less controlled naked bike rides regularly (one of them issues paper bags to spectators who want them).

I…

Actual patriarchies tend to cover their women right up, though — historically women have worn less and less as they gained legal and social rights. Some of it's backlash, but some of it's freedom.

Alternate possibility: if it becomes normal for women to wear less, there's less and less that can be interpreted as a provocative signal.

I remember the 1980s as being a bit of a backlash to the 1970s, and the 1970s having had practically everyone showing a lot of skin (partly because lycra science was in its infancy).

I dress very modestly because I sunburn really easily. This has led to many depressing misunderstandings with strangers who take me for a prairie muffin or something.

When I'm with it, I can try to speak all softly and love-of-virtue to wrongfoot the whiny whiners who want a modest woman to agree with them that…

She *did* wear that dress to work!

That's a cultural choice — there have been plenty of places in which men and women both went topless and it wasn't particularly sexual. (Anglo-Americans tended to bring them diseases, muumuus, and free trade.)

Also, gotta say, as a straight woman, of course I view men's torsos as sexual*. The men whose nipples I've…

I totally agree with this part:

I quite like nudity for the classicism, actually — old *and* exciting.

It works (better?) if the recipes are marked up in one of a few formats:
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I had one household of tenants do this *twice*. The first time I could almost believe they'd `never heard you shouldn't flush a tampon', though I sent them the city utility flyer explaining Don't Do That; but the second time we charged them the $3000 repair fee.

But they calibrated the `clocks' separately, which should account for that.

I knew the (last, I think) Mother Superior of the Good Shepherd's in Seattle, and she was an early and indefatigable writer on child abuse. She died round about when the Catholic child-abuse-hiding scandal was big, and said thoughtfully, `Well, I have a lot to ask God.'

Older neighbors of that Good Shepherd's site are…

Yeah, there's a history of USians funding extremism in Ireland because `over there' it's romantic. Ew.