Majority owner Joe Lacob wasn’t born rich. First college graduate in his family. Studied biology and epidemiology and many of his investments have centered around that. The other prominent owner, Peter Guber, made his money as movie producer, and he also wasn’t born rich. Usually when I write more than a sentence or…

“constantly trying to have these big grand moments without actually having earned any of them” - yep, that describes the aesthetic of J.J. Abrams, who was a mentor to Disco’s Alex Kurtzman.

Burnham wasn’t in uniform, if that’s what you’re referring to.

Wow, this is getting to be routine. Disco superfans really can’t debate their fave show. (Maybe because it ranges from shallow to incoherent.) They just have tantrums. A bit disturbing.

Great point about Fruits Loops cereal. Thanks for that. Love the passion and cogence of the Disco superfan.

There’s a shocker- the Disco superfan is unable to intelligently debate the show, but instead opts for tantrums about handjobs.  Feeeelings. I wuv feeewings.

Yeah, it’s alarming how often I see this sentiment expressed by the Disco superfan. They don’t like to think. They like to feeeeeel.

Nah, forget DS9 or TNG, Disco just isn’t intelligent sci-fi of any stripe. Nor is it coherent storytelling.

Exactly. I don’t see much insightful defenses of Disco from the the Disco superfans. I see “OMG I love it because it gives me the feels.” That whole ‘Star Trek as food for thought’ tradition dies a little every week thanks to the shallow-as-a-puddle Disco dance-off.

Solid point.

No, you’re watching the same show, but this professional reviewer is, presumably, more knowledgeable/experienced than you as to what constitutes competent storytelling that isn’t lazy and hackish.

I’m not a huge fan of The Orville, but it was, at least, more competently produced television than Discovery. And it had a few charming Roddenberry homages. But it would be funny if Orville outlasts Les Moonves’ premium VOD tentpole boondoggle.

That’s an excuse given to sack simpletons who were in way over their heads.

They likely were abusive, but THR report is the usual PR spin in a trade mag. Should not be taken at face value. Creative decisions were also a factor in the firing, in all likelihood.

The Rotten Tomatoes score refers to reviews of the first two (or first four) episodes. Critics (and many fans) soured on the first season as it went on - including Kinja reviewers. Entertainment Weekly concluded “the lame finale took the franchise backwards.” The opening episodes are not an indicator of later quality,…

Yeah, it’s funny to see people whose lives are so dominated by social media get threatened by an episode of Seth MacFarlane TV - I guess he’s doing something right, heh. But the author of this AV review saying the episode doesn’t “contribute to the space adventure” is laughable, as so much of the original Star Trek…

The thing is, Mr. Handlen isn’t even doing a convincing job of complaining like a Trekkie- the Kirk-era Enterprise, as seen on The Animated Series, does indeed contain the equivalent of a holodeck- look it up. Most of the gripes about Discovery, from numerous outlets, come across as unfair ... which leads me to think…