Maybe it's just the one girl that everybody knows? #longshot

Just because something good came out of it (in your case) and there are objectively much worse crimes doesn't make it OK. And being young isn't an excuse for behaving badly. It makes mistakes more understandable, sure, but it doesn't absolve the person committing them.

And married? Which would officially deny him the moral highground in this whole debacle.

Yet based on my limited experience with GOOP, she still seems completely out of touch with the real world (and unaware of the fact). It's strange how she can be so self-aware on one issue and oblivious on the other...

I got her too! And a Romanian diver.

I originally got a Japanese weightlifter... until I realized I forgot to convert my weight to kilos. Now I'm either a Romanian diver or a British sailor.

I was just going to write something like this. I find it appalling that Vogue would scapegoat her — by cutting her contract, as if getting rid of a bad apple — when they came up with the idea and signed off on the final product. Yes, she is partly to blame, but as you say, she was screwed either way.

I get what you're saying, but at the same time, I need to hear what the mistakes are because they aren't always obvious to the casual observer. (A trip or fall is, but there are so many little technical details they can get dinged on!) So it helps to understand why the judges score a certain way.

That's what I was thinking! The problem is that there's more than one variable being tested — gender, yes, but also just numbers. That kind of labour shortage is hard regardless of who's missing.

We do the less organized version of this — texting pics of products from the store and waiting for approval. (Ie, "They're out of your granola bars. Is this one OK instead?")

I keep trying to forget that...

I hope they are. At this point, I'd think neither of them need the publicity that badly.

Oh, I'm sure they're both equally in the right/wrong. And I'm sure despite all their talk of taking the high road, they'll both at some point say or do something less than nice. I'm just saying that as a principle, one decent action — even a big one — doesn't absolve you of all future nastiness.

I'm not denying it happens in a gendered context, and I know there's a narrative emerging that emphasizes gender roles. I'm saying personally, I'm not conflicted about the fact that it was men saving their girlfriends — I don't feel any differently about it than if it was women protecting their significant others and…

I didn't see this as a "men saving women" thing, just as people protecting their loved ones. In this case, they happened to be mostly men, but I don't think that's particularly significant overall.

And this is why sometimes guys get stuck in the friend zone, regardless of looks: because I have heard what you say in front of "the guys" and it's killed any potential attraction.

I agree on principle, but the problem is that now people are perfectly able to publish information without help from the media or police. So what those policies are trying to prevent — the broad and public distribution of suspects' (or in this case, juvenile convicts') names — happens anyway unless there are controls…

Because then her friend would be in contempt of court and face jail time. Unless I'm mistaken, this is a publication ban, not a do-not-disclose agreement that would apply strictly to her. No one is allowed to publicly identify these people.

I don't know about sexual assault specifically, but there are a number of publication bans that crop up on a regular basis and last for either portions or the entirety of a trial. Some are more common than others — like not being able to discuss arguments made at a bail hearing — and some are really really unusual…

I was just about to post about young offender laws. As for the publication ban, she should definitely have tried to fight it in court before breaking it — but I understand why she did what she did. And I'm really curious about the details of the plea (which, by the way, her lawyer should have discussed with her before…