It does work well for them. Keeps the fleets & rental agencies filled up with cheap vans and can keep Pacifica production (mostly) for the retail side. Full factories are happy factories and this is a reasonable trade (note: works best if you have free/underutilized capacity).  Between the cheap vans up front and…

Pretty sure this is the reason why the old Chrysler minivan won’t go away. Fleet buyers will literally not pay anything more for a vehicle that can reasonably seat 7 people, regardless of the design and platform predating the O’Bama administration.

I’m the human embodiment of one, yes. Outwardly unsexy, but highly useful. My true dad self.

Or alternatively, I’m not just the head of the minivan appreciation society, I’m also a client.

Chrysler shut down the only Pacifica factory in NA on March due to chip shortage. It hasn’t been opened since..except like 2 days to clear out inventory already started.

What wagon? Now that the VW Sportwagen is gone the cheapest real wagon sold in the USA is the Volvo V60 priced from $41,000.

We cant!

At this point I can somehow turn a mild profit on my 2016 Grand Caravan if I resell it to Carvana or one of the other online vendors. That’s not something I expected to ever have “resale value”.

Of course, I need 1 functioning normal-people van to justify having 8 dysfunctional van piles, so I’m not gonna do it.

Good, buy a damn wagon!

This guy, man... his bad luck is matched only by his super-human drive & will to achieve. God bless him.

My take: MINIVANS ARE THE HOTTEST VEHICLES IN AMERICA

It’s only taken about 30 years, but our time has come once again!

I think he was more alluding to the fact that (white) rock purists think of the genre as a sort of island, free from outside influences. Originality that deviates too much from the basic formula is frowned upon by them.

I feel like we can blame (white) boomers for rock being seen as its own thing, completely separate from other genres. Boomers liked rock so much that they basically froze popular music for decades and denigrated all other forms of music, often for not being ‘manly’ enough (disco being a prime example, but also funk).

Not really sure what you’re talking about but I definitely did not agree with a lot of things Obama did. I know it breaks the brains of conservatives but you can still vote Democrat and not like the guy you helped elect. It’s healthy to not be part of a cult.

Curious. I never bothered to buy any Foo Fighter records. I’m just noticing this new disco tribute album (!) they’re coming out with... I guess it blows the minds of “(white) rock purists” to know that guys like him have influences that have nothing to do with Led Zeppellin, Beatles, Stones, etc.  Nice revelations,…

He seems like a thoroughly good guy who is now a thoroughly good Dad. Good guy that no one has a bad word to say that is also rich...you could do worse. 

Let me piggie back onto that. Take a Mirage platform and make a RWD city-focused EV...

There’s a current Lancer?

“But we will also consider involvement in rallying.”

Well there goes my plans for Christmas Tree Shopping for this year.

Sure, we have a lot to learn about enforcing various automobile- and truck-based incidents from other places. But if we build infra that actively segregates people from vehicles, I think we’ll be in a much better place.