I thought that was Volvo.

Or they could just design cars to be safe rather than to just pass tests. See Volvo: the XC90 designed 13 years ago was able to ace these new tests because they actually put a priority on safety.

The exact location: https://goo.gl/maps/aoU3WXEWq…

That KPMG building is on 6th street, so it looks like this intersection is on 6th and Fig. Doesn’t appear to be any road closures there right now, though...

The third generation TL was great, as was the third generation Integra. Today, though...yeah I agree. They sell a gussied up Civic (that isn’t even as good as the new Civic), a chromed out smaller Accord, a rebadged Honda Legend that costs $51K but doesn’t come with a V8 or even a turbo-6, and a couple crossovers…

Reason 1: No V8

I believe all Corollas have LED headlights.

Middle management? I thought this was a review on the Civic, not the BMW 320i...;)

No worries, I’m just bored in a meeting and being a pedantic ass ;)

The base Civic DX in 2010 wasn’t $12,500; it was $15,600. You’re off by 3 grand there. Tack on an extra $1,250 if you want AC, and another $835 if you want a radio.

It’s only more because they don’t make the DX anymore, the one that didn’t come with AC (it was a $1200 option), a radio, power mirrors, and a whole bevy of things that you’d expect on a car built this century.

In that case it sounds like you don’t like keyless start, not push button start.

$27K is for a fully loaded, bordering on a Acura car. Just because you *can* spec a trim that high doesn’t mean the car itself isn’t affordable. Base to base, it’s still a great deal.

Agreed, whereas in past generations, getting the LX meant you were missing out on a lot of features not because it would cost more to include them, but because Honda needed a way to protect the EX. Drove me nuts.

What’s wrong with push button starters?

Pitting an OTD price against an MSRP price isn’t really a fair comparison. Wasn’t the base 2010 Civic DX with a manual something like $15.5K, and an auto LX around $18.5K? If you pit 2010 base DX (16.8K adjusted for inflation) to 2016 base LX (18.6K), for the extra 2 grand you get: power mirrors, air conditioning,…

I have a 2010 Civic, and after test-driving the new 2016 I thought it was heads and shoulders better in pretty much every facet. It’s a lot quieter at speed (triple door seals and way more sound deadening will do that), more of that solid German feel (old one had that classic Japanese tin can feel), way more torque…

That’s true for the STi. Other markets got nice Recaros, whereas we got a Lazy-Boy with no bolstering made for ‘murrican fatties.

I don’t think it’s so much a problem. The Fit is considerably louder, less refined, slower, and feels a lot (a lot) cheaper.

$20K today adjusted for inflation is around $14.5K in 2000 money, which is right in line with what the Civic used to cost back then.