@imconfus: Judging by the fact that it flexes more with speed, I'd say air pressure.

Matt, you deserve the Stratos drive for this.

@C@illou: That was quite spectacular...

The Artz car looks blatantly asymmetrical. Then again, so do most cars made before CAD/CAM was the norm and clay sculptures ruled the design board.

@CobraJoe: I had forgotten about the whole dyno run thing, which was in the video about Turn 10 and the Jalopnik pack. As I said in my reply to Roy, kudos for being thorough to the point of obsession, which is only fitting for a crowd like us.

@jbh1126: Yep, I'm still around but kinda busy these days. How bout you?

@Ray Wert: Then I admire the decision made for the sake of thoroughness. I don't play games (who has time?) but I do appreciate all of the work that goes into them. They bring a taste of automotive nirvana to the humble folk who could never afford more than just the game. The fact that so much work goes into a car…

@CobraJoe: I understand the effort that goes into modelling the cars for Forza, but other than high quality sound samples, I'm sure most of the basic measurements can be found online, while the rest can be left to the digital artists to work out.

It seems quite strange that they would cut cars from a car pack that has a very specific target demographic... While I'm sure Turn 10 has legitimate reasons for their decisions, I can't help but hope they get added to a later pack somehow.

This COTD should be cross-posted to that Kotaku cross-post that argues that cars can not be art. Fantastic.

@SpainIsInYurp: Here in Turkey, with all the taxes and whatnot, it actually makes more sense to get something German, as they are taxed based on engine displacement and the MSRP of a C5 and a similarly specced 3 series are unfortunately not that far off.

@SpainIsInYurp: I think hey just couldn't get over the fact that the ZX rally car outlived the 205 in the dunes.

@SpainIsInYurp: I could understand the technological limitations during the DS era, but I still think they could have worked on more compact setups post Xantia to give their smaller lines (C2-3-4) a handling and ride advantage over the competition. Once the system is understood, it's really not that hard to work on…

@SpainIsInYurp: Given the efficiency of the original hydropneumatic system in absorbing shocks and bumps, as an engineer I would have proposed that they return to full-rubber non-pneumatic tires for that vehicle: problem solved. I can understand the cost, but I can't imagine the tires (first gen radials) would be all…

@macheath: I think unfortunately it was apparent that even back then, they were too wimpy to put the work of that genius into production. I doubt we'll see the engineering prowess of such magnitude in a production vehicle again.

@vdiddy210 - Can Also Drive 90 in a 40: The only way it could be even awesomer is if it was smaller, and that's stepping in Mini territory, so we could think of it as a RWD Mini on steroids...

MOAR BREADVAN

@Roberto G.: The bar I worked at had a sign like that, but it said that they peed and pood in it.

@duurtlang: The C5 came in 2004, which is why I said all up to then. And even then, the first gen C5 continued using Hydractive (though no Activa shenanigans).

All Citroens up to 2004.