it seems like most people here think resigning was the wrong move because it won’t hurt the GOP at all. This isn’t about hurting the GOP we won’t EVER win their voters over, it’s showing our base that we stand for something. Democrats win and lose elections based on turnout. And young voters don’t want to see that the…

Where did Franken show remorse for his actions? He called his accusers a bunch of liars (in more polite words). He only said he is remorseful that the women felt badly for being groped. He wasn’t sorry about groping them, he was sorry that they didn’t like it.

I don’t want a “champion” who thinks it’s okay to grab or force himself on those he’s purportedly “championing”. He sounds like a two-faced opportunist for “championing” women’s rights while simultaneously sexually harassing/assaulting women. Yeah, what a guy. Women definitely need more “champions” like him.

This was utterly one of the most dickish, shitbag speeches ever. He denied everything, pimped his achievements, and pointed the finger everywhere else. Good riddance to this asshat.

Being ride or die for your friends, even when they’re accused of horrible things, is not a virtue. It’s the hallmark of rapey fraternities and crooked cops. I was never in the fraternity, so seeing men who are willing to turn on their friends when they behave badly is a sign that I might find some safety in a group.

I don’t feel played at all. I never saw this as a board game where knocking out a few Democrats would also thin the ranks of the opposing party. The upside of not having Franken in the Senate is not having Franken in the Senate. He wasn’t an asset. He was a symbol of the way that powerful men are enabled to mistreat…

This is an extraordinarily bad take. Which ones of those things are Democrats’ fault? Do you really think holding sexual assaulters accountable means that all liberal causes will fail? That doesn’t actually make sense. There are plenty of potential liberal politicians who haven’t assaulted women serially for over a…

How I feel about this.

This, by far, BY FAR, is the worst ‘apology’ statement out of the whole canon of ‘I’m sorry if anyone thinks they were hurt by the things I remember differently. I’m going to go away for a little while, because I need to make myself believe again that I’m awesome - so awesome I don’t need to rape!’ apologies.

I don’t understand this argument. Al Franken needed to resign. If you want to be a member of a party that doesn’t care about the morals of their Senators, there is a choice for you. You can’t say you give a shit about Trump assaulting women while harboring similar behavior in your own party. Again, if you want to do…

Gah, the whole Moore/Trump thing. Our ethical guidelines can’t be summed up with “but mom, everyone else is doing it”

What about Al Franken stepping down = “death” to you?

Al should have kept his hands to himself. It’s actually pretty easy to do.

This is not a classic political hit job - this is a classic political fuck up. These weren’t anonymous complaints either so get your shit together.

It takes a real special piece of shit to have your heart broken over calls for a serial harrasser to resign. Fuck off.

I was convinced he should go sooner than they were, but I don’t have a problem with them responding carefully here instead of impulsively. Especially considering how much vitriol men on the left have been spouting about this (see for example the comment here about the Democratic party eating “it’s own”). Women…

Exactly....what is the strategy you think applies here? What is the brilliant “intelligent strategy” you think you have?

Uhh, at present, seven women have said that Franken groped them and/or tried to forcibly kiss them. Are you literally suggesting that unless someone molests a child (which is what we call underage women), then they can get away with sexually harassment or assault?

I don’t know, dude. It seems to me like one’s values and morals shouldn’t be determined by what evil people are doing.

To me, insisting that multiple credible accusations of sexual misconduct render one unfit to serve in the Senate seems like the exact opposite of surrendering.