Exactly. I don’t really care whether they’re secretly politically opposed to Donald. If they can override that to act in their own self-interest at the expense of the country, then they’re shitty, shitty people.

Yes, I get that’s how it works for her. She made a selfish decision on the backs of the rest of us, and she is reaping benefits while the rest of us will get increasingly fucked. The fact that you say you’d make the same trade doesn’t mean she’s worthy of our understanding or good will, it means you’re also not.

Yeah. I can definitively say that while even a relatively small (to Donald Trump) amount of money would absolutely change my life, and I’d probably do a lot of things for a price, I would never support his policies or candidacy for anything.

Good for you, for setting the boundaries you deserve.

And yet as an adult she has actively campaigned for him and benefited from his grifting.

Yep, fear of having to live like the rest of us. The horror!

I’d say the speech (which was lauded at the time as being quite more than lukewarm if I recall) counts, as does her shilling for him at other appearances and on her social media.

My mom tried to convince me to get married in a Catholic church (I was raised hella Catholic) and I told her I would if I didn’t have to do the pre-cana counseling/classes because I wouldn’t subject myself/now husband to it. My very observant religious mother told me to just lie to the priest, because “those old men…

Yes, but I don’t see how I’m supposed to give them some kind of credit for making self-interested decisions, whether they’re true believers in the Trump agenda or not. God forbid they actually grow enough integrity to give up money and vicarious power and have to live like the rest of us!

In my experience as a woman, men with “deep-seated homosexual tendencies” typically have a much easier time “relating correctly” to me as a woman than straight men do.

Donald Trump’s adult children are not hostages, nor are they oppressed.

Right?

I don’t know why you’re putting things in quotes that neither of us said in this thread.

I don’t think he’s above it at all. But I also know, even as a current law student who has nobody to pay my way, that I would not do what she’s done in exchange for law school tuition.

I agree re: the distinction between imperfect and evil, and take your point about family dynamics.

Thanks! and I appreciate the chance to have a respectful, engaged conversation on the internet. So often people are more interested in talking past each other to “win” and aren’t even engaging on the same thing.

Pretty much. Depressing.

Haha, I get what you’re saying and I’m probably being annoying now, but I cannot abide thinking of the Trump (adult) “children” as oppressed in any way. And if a secret disloyalty is so secret that nobody ever knows of it, it doesn’t get much credit from me.

Also, consider the stakes. Trump wasn’t just a rich dad, he was a rich power hungry dad, with a realistic shot at really destructive power. she chose herself over the rest of us and that’s not admirable. Maybe it is understandable, if your worldview is dog eat dog. But before I’m going out of my way to see the good in…

Okay, so we’re supposed to be thankful/pity her/give her credit for selling the rest of us out to save herself? Nope. I’m not here for that.