But it’s not an expelled fetus, it’s a baby. It’s an independent organism. The fact that the mother does not want it, doesn’t make it any less so.

This woman did not want the pregnancy or the child, and to allow her abortion to complete all the medical staff in this situation had to do was not intervene. I do not think they should have intervened, as if they had not this was already an abortion. The child was born medically dead. That was the mother’s choice.

“eta: the nature of the injury is clearly mentioned in both this article and the linked article

Me patronize you? You were the one who said those who didn’t agree with you were not being logical.

I think you probably just don’t understand as much as you think you do. Faced with a 24 week pregnant mother who has a history of attempting to self abort with a coat hanger the doctors are concerned about both the mother and the child. Any number of things could be going on that put them both at risk. The mother…

No, that would be killing a baby, and that is murder.

I don’t think it’s weird at all. “My girlfriend let me fuck her in the ass” is an ok statement, though not factual.