And most trucks can realistically tow a hell of a lot more than the rated weights. Those ratings are based on brakes and the trans. How often do you want to tow with a camry before the trans starts having problems.

the problem with renting is its a pain in the ass. I don’t always know when I’m a need 4xr or a bed or the ability to tow. In my world it’s a lot better to have and not need than need and not have.

Yet cars can do a lot less than trucks can. Sure a compact sedan is more fuel efficient but its a one trick pony. Cant haul or tow with it. Off roading is out of the question. and they’re cramped even for just one passenger. On the other hand, a modern truck can make 20 mpg city in the real world while still being…

I wonder if people who say this have ever actually used a 5.5 ft bed? I’ve yet to find myself wishing for a longer one. It’s just as long or longer with the tailgate down and much more useful than enclosed space where I have to worry about the smell or cleaning it.

The haven’t. Look it up. The width has been around the 79 in mark since the 50's thanks to regulation of vehicles over 80 in. The height of the 50's f100 and modern 13th gen is near identical even though they were about 4 in shorter in the 70's.

Most people I know do require those capabilities on at the very least a semi regular basis. People DD them because its cheaper and easier to just own one vehicle. One insurance, one parking space at the house, one set of maintenance, ect.

Most people have realized that the tradeoff for crew cabs over a 6.5ft bed is worth it. You can’t haul much in a 6.5ft bed that you couldn’t in a 5.5ft bed. You’ll max out the payload well before you fill it with gravel and 4x8 sheets of anything are going to stick up or require the tailgate to be down anyway.

No it hasn’t. Trucks have been around the 80 in mark for decades because of regulations for vehicles over 80 in. The only exception to this is the raptor which complies with those other regulations.

They really do. Lots of room for luxury items and features.

So? it also makes a great luxury vehicle.

No its not. I mean first of all most aren't sold for that. Fords best selling trim is the xlt and after all the discounts it's probably going for 40-45k max. But secondly, why shouldn't luxury trims exist? They are already large and comfortable vehicles. Luxury trims just make it nicer for those who want to pay. Kinda…

Not with the government cutting checks like someone else is paying for it. You bail people out they'll just do the same shit next time. Let em fail. Especially the big companies.

20 mpg city (real world) is pretty excellent gas millage especially when you’re also getting a vehicle that can do a hell of a lot more stuff than a sedan. My Mazda 3 was getting about 30mpg in the real world city driving so it is significantly more but at the same time my Mazda couldn't do shit. Can't tow. Can't…

They're all built on the same platforms as the halfton trucks so they're all about the same size. I mean, hell, my own mother put over 200k on a suburban when me and my 2 brothers were kids. Put 100k on another one before that too. They make excellent family vehicles when you need to haul a lot of stuff on a lot of…

i know this is satirical but no, I couldn't.

i dissagree. trucks make excellent daily drivers. I simply do not fit in most sedans. They’re cramped and a pain in the ass to crawl in and out of. This really leaves trucks and suvs as the only option. Between the two, trucks don’t take much of a hit on fuel economy, are even roomier and more comfortable and last…

Do you understand how dimensions work? you have a length, width and height. I have said it twice already and I’ll say it again. The width and height of trucks has not increased dramatically from older generations. The length has but that is mostly due to the adoption of crew cabs which are significantly more useful…

Except trucks haven’t increased dramatically in most dimensions and their fuel economy has gotten much better over the last decade along with their comfort and features.

No one does. First of all, every full size truck starts off pretty cheap to begin with. Under 30k. Secondly, after you factor in all the discounts, most trucks are sold for almost 10k under MSRP, even over 15k under for higher trims for RAM in a lot of cases. Here’s an example. In 2018 my dad bought a new f150 stx fx4…

New trucks aren't that much larger than thos of yeateryear. The width is almost identical. The height is only a few inches taller overall. The only thing that has gotten significantly bigger is the length thanks to crew cabs.