The Nissan rogue, especially the last generation. There are SO MANY in new jersey, but they were such bad cars. Namely, they were slow as shit, and everyone I’ve met with one admits that they struggle on long hills, and yet, fricking everywhere. The CR-v is actually more common but at least its a decent car.

God the base bmw seats, mainly in the previous generation cars. What the hell were they thinking? Literally dead flat. I was looking for cars on turo in socal and EVERY 3 series had them. I saw them and stayed the hell away.

Mk6 GTI 6MT

The paddles work, the transmission is relatively slow for a new automatic but its not a huge issue. 

It does feel on par with an entry level luxury car in terms of refinement. 

This car is good, save for the garbage OEM tires. The turanza El440's lack grip, they’re too stiff, and they’re expensive. My dad has one of these, and I am on the edge of my seat waiting to have them replaced. The trans could be better as well but the low end power makes up for it.  

I agree with the lack of performance cred with this car. But for the price, even the turbo has a great interior, and the power is satisfying. Its a car that’s relaxing to drive but still handles well, save for the shit OEM tires. Mazda has admitted that they’re going for refinement now more than anything, and it seems…

My main definition is that it needs to be any 2 or even 2+2 car that has both a body and engine, neither of which can be bought by an average person, and has a bespoke chassis. The 911 I think could be considered a supercar. So can an AMG GT. But other AMG’s cannot, because they are all performance version of…

I like the small size and look but

I understand the sentiment, but chill with the 200hp 3000lbs thing. Both a GTI and an Accord would be past that limit. Maybe a tax or something for vehicles over 4200lbs makes more sense, it would spare most reasonable vehicles. Only large luxo-barges and pickups would be affected. 

Ok well have fun avoiding the like 4 sedans on the market that drive worse than a Rav4 on your car purchasing adventures.

“Many of today’s sedans/wagons are not better than a modern crossover/CUV to drive.” So you said that they are either exactly the same or worse to drive. I’m saying that in every case that I can come up with, where there is an SUV and a sedan in the same lineup (not the Macan) with the same powertrain, drivetrain, and…

There is also nothing less fun than a bad shift, or a bad launch with a manual transmission. For me, the fun of shifting gears barely outweighs the annoyance of going slower off the line, or any shifting mistakes.

The crossover hate only exists because alot of sedans and compacts are either being cancelled, neglected, or becoming unavailable, since car companies are now going fully on board with SUV’s these days.

The SUV thing still bothers me. No, SUV’s do not have identical running costs to their sedan counterparts. Only the cheapest CUV’s actually undercut larger sedans in cost, because of how small they are, and how many of their hatchback counterparts are no longer being sold in the U.S. They consistently have worse fuel…

Most hyundai/kia models with the 1.6t engine have a DCT. I also mentioned a good modern automatic BTW.

This pisses me off so much. So many cars that got cancelled in the past few years had a notable flaw that was later fixed, either abroad, or in a subsequent SUV (eg. the HR-V got the smoother and more powerful 2.0l motor that the Honda fit was denied). The benefits of a sedan, hatchback, or wagon are inescapable. 

But you seem to be insisting that sedans are worse to drive than CUV’s and SUV’s are to drive, but I don’t think you can find any good examples of that. I can’t think of a single lineup in North America where a CUV/SUV handles and drives better than a sedan and hatchback with the same motor and transmission. Can you…

Dude come on. The Macan is one of the best driving vehicles in the world because of the attention it gets from Porsche. You really think if they made an A4 sized sedan, it would drive worse than a Macan? You think a 340i is worse to drive than an X3? An Accord versus a Pilot? A Mazda 3 versus a Cx-30 or Cx-5? A Golf…

Newer DCT’s and PDK’s have solved that problem for years now.