Little smug on my part, sorry. But you commented on my statement and provided no counter argument other than essentially “I disagree”. What was the point of saying anything to begin with?

“I have no counter argument!” - got it.

He didn’t. He gave Luke some redemption that made him an icon across the galaxy again, jump starting a new rebellion. He died a hero after TFA did everything to erase any accomplishment Luke ever had.

It’s 100% Luke like. Luke went into the Death Star with no intention of fighting and every desire to save his father. And yet, progressively, his buttons got pushed more and more until he started fighting. Vader vaguely and impotently threatened Leia and Luke went into a murderous rage.

Eh, Luke wanted to forgive Vader. Ben clearly did not want to do the same for Luke,

I understand not liking the direction...but blame the right person. TFA and Abrams made Luke a failure. Luke had his school destroyed, his nephew turned evil along with several of his pupils (the rest, murdered), the Empire was never really defeated, and he disappeared without a trace rather than staying to fight.

Nah, he was there before he left. He spent his time on the island cut off from the force, not training.

Yeah, but people keep blaming TLJ and Johnson for that. Abrams was the one who made everyone into a failure.

In addition to that...people can survive in a vacuum for a little bit. That isn’t even a force power, that’s just a thing normal humans can do.

It did develop the plot though. It led to the First Order finding out about Holdo’s escape plan, and caused the resistance to be on its last legs. Without Finn’s failed mission, there would have been no final confrontation on Crait, no Holdo maneuver, no Luke v Kylo...

Ehhhh. Even if you take out his moment of weakness with Ben that sent him full force into the dark side, Luke still had gone through enough to break a person.

I never got the impression that Luke considered Kylo Ren completely beyond saving. If that were the case, Luke would have had no reason to try to impart one last lesson to him. Luke just knew that he couldn’t be the one to do it, Ben hated him too much.

But Luke did learn his lesson.

I mean, no. It wasn’t a waste of time misunderstanding. Luke did, for a moment, consider killing him. And that’s enough to permanently destroy any relationship, I think.

Or just...show us what Luke saw. That alone would have been enough for me.

So are supposed to just assume he’s free from all temptation for the rest of his life after RoTJ?

I think Luke knew that he couldn’t save Ben. Well, I don’t think it, Luke himself said it. Ben hated him too much at that point, the same way Obi-Wan couldn’t be the one to redeem Vader.

Nah, you’re looking at it wrong. The issue is that he had become too much like the old Jedi. Yoda and Obi-Wan were the ones calling for killing Vader, Luke defied that. I think his disillusionment from the Jedi is that he started to take their old methods a little too seriously.

Yeah...no. I can say that pretty unequivocally, because there isn’t a doubt in my mind that Luke is going to show up as a force ghost next movie anyway.

I feel similarly about TLJ as I do about RoTJ.