ah, i see, so we should engineer only for outliers. Got it. 

Calm down, Lewis Hamilton. 7 seconds is more than fine to get around town and life. You have been red pilled by the horsepower wars.

I second the back cargo room question. Do the seats fold flat?

Agree w/this. Would be a fun car and good replacement. I have a buddy who has a Fiat 500 Abarth andit really is a ton of fun to drive and just a happy little car. 

I watched 15 minutes of Eternals and it was just boring and with subpar CGI monsters. Turned it off and will never try to rewatch. Just zero energy/chemistry. 

Im out on the Western Slope now but still come to Denver a fwe times a year. Ill see what the city is like when i come visit in May. Hopefully its getting more bike friendly? I dont know.

This is fair context. The city i spend the most time in is Denver and traffic is pretty choked there in lots of parts of the city all day. I used to live in downtown for years and i mostly got around on my bike as it was less of a hassle. But if i had to get out to the burbs i could see your point for this sort of…

This looks cool but if youre looking for true urban transportation it’d be cheaper to buy an ebike with really no effective loss of functionality if youre using it in a city. 

I happen to live in the sticks myself and i also have a 4x4 and i tow and haul shit around. But, the small town i live in puts me w/in 10 minute walk or bike of everything i need. I dont hve to get into my car unless i really need it.

Its almost refreshing/shocking to me to see a F150 like that. Where i live damn near literally every truck is on a lift and at least 33" tires. It looks quaint.

ah.. i did not think about that. Damn, good point. 

Sorry, i was not clear. Those of us in the States wont see this thing for 2 more years which is what i meant when i made the vaporware comment.

I like the cargo van but its still just vaporware for all intents and purposes. 

ha! Well, for one she can afford a Crosstrek and two Crosstreks are fun in the snow/mud and ive seen them parked at nominally 4wd trailheads w/enough frequency in CO/UT that that is also its own sort of fun. 

This is good advice! She should also just buy a Crosstrek. 

Lol, im thinking of pulling the trigger on one of these fridges. 

Well goddamn this looks amazing. Take my money!

You do it by not being such a fucking baby. God, you and lots of other ppl on this site would have never even moved to ICE vehicles from horses 110 years ago. 

Owen, congrats on the strike resulting in a new contract for you folks. Well done!

lol, calm down snowflake