You’re saying, “I’ll admit you’re right on that point about contributing to the suicide. But now I want to argue abut something you didn’t say.”

Knowing his stance on political or religious issues is still not the same as KNOWING the person. And I’ll remind you, this didn’t start with me saying you can’t lookup a person’s quotes, or published positions online. This began because people are saying Dungy’s son was gay (undocumented) and that Tony’s mistreatment…

I suppose if you didn’t drill the holes to center, you could always just jack the car up and spin the wheels against a file until they’re true. Of course, you still have manhole covers on your car instead of wheels, but....

Only because there’s two types of callings and they got the one and not the other. They’re still responsible though.

I think this might one of those times when THEY were right though.

If I am conflating that, then many, many others are also conflating understanding a stranger’s position on an issue with having enough knowledge of the stranger’s internal motivations to predict how the stranger would have acted towards another stranger, and how those actions would have directly influenced/ caused the…

Any good Huguenot would know this was preordained.

I agree. Why are all these people admitting they don’t know someone and then speaking as if they do? Some people. AMIRIGHT?

Those patients were not a congregation in the same way you’re thinking of modern congregations. These were poor people, and not modern poor people. The poor people of that time offered as little, or less, economic benefit as animals did. I’m sorry. I just don’t buy the reasoning that hospitals were created in the self-…

So let me get this straight: You’re saying the default assumption about Tony Dungy should be that he is an anti-gay bigot whose hateful views and personal motivations were so horrible that his son, (who you are assuming was gay, even though you don’t feel a need to prove that), felt so dehumanized by his father’s…

Sure, there are obviously examples of healing centers throughout history. But hospitals - institutions that serve sick patients for no benefit to the provider (unlike the military, who benefits from healing its own soldiers), were unique at that time. And yes there have always been individuals, or short-term examples…

Are you implying your knowledge is limitless?

I acknowledge you think that, but I believe you are wrong.

I disagree that any good from religion only comes out by coincidence. For example, hospitals exist because Catholics in the middle ages created places to help poor, sick people - almshouses. That’s not coincidental good that would have happened anyway. There was no other reason for those people to create those places…

I’m saying that if you believe that a Google search is a suitable substitute for meeting, speaking to, and actually knowing someone, you are a perfect example for the point of this entire thread.

I clearly stated I was making a guess and not a declarative statement based on personal knowledge. That’s the difference here: I’m admitting there are limits to my knowledge of people I don’t know.

Then I challenge you to prove it. I’m guessing that if you respectfully emailed, tweeted to, or FB’ed Tony Dungy about this, he would actually respond. So do it, coward. Make an honest attempt to contact him and ask him what he thinks about homosexuals. Man up and actually try to see if the real Tony Dungy is anything…

Me too:

You actually think doing a Google search is the way to know what a person believes? Have fun with that. Meanwhile, the rest of us will stick to the more traditional way: actually talking to them.

And you would know because you’ve never met him. And not meeting, talking to, or communicating with someone obviously makes you an expert on who someone is and what they think on an issue.