yup, if your wearing proper gear and you are injured in a motorcycle crash, ill feel sorry for you. but if you don’t care about you, why should i?

And my first thought was. Gee I know where there’s a whole hellcat drivetrain I could pick up for $25 +30 plus say another 15 to get it all nice and together (I’ve got the space and tools to do most of it so that helps) would probably be one fun ride.

I’ve found for those situations, a second battery does wonders. I’ve got two in my off-road toy, I just use a basic switch on the dash and I swap between them every tank of gas or so. This way if I’m ever camping and leave the lights or radio on, I can be sure it will still strt to get me home.

I’ve found for those situations, a second battery does wonders. I’ve got two in my off-road toy, I just use a basic…

And if we’re talking about the basic sentiment, I’m convinced it’s much older than that. Probably at least Roman times, I know they had sayings like when the money runs out the happiness ends. And things like that anyway.

I know this is old. (Not 20 years) but if your really interested you probably want a thing called a Hobbs meter. Hook up to a 12v source that’s on with the ignition is the simplest to hook up(though you then run the meter if your just using the radio) but there are a ton of options.

Yea, in my mind ideally I guess it would be some compromise. Something like a set percentage comes out automatically for the most necessary or beneficial programs. The rest you get to pick with, and you have to pick it all you don’t get to keep any. I mean I’d rather give my money to schools and NASA, then most of…

Yea, but I figure even the craziest proposed programs would get some money. I think it would be interesting. I mean we should try something new at this point anyway.

Excellent ideas, I’d like to see a line item budget system. Something like everyone pays whatever their percentage is in tax, but you get a choice what that money goes toward. Even if you had to mandate a minimum percentage for schools and roads, defense ect. At least noone would have to put money toward a program…

Is it odd that I want to watch a pirated cam version filmed from you nside the iss.

I agree. Though given the choice the leveraction wouldn’t be my first pick .(I’ve got a 30-30 win lever the follow up shot is a pain if you miss a deer at any range.) But yes it all comes down to the person using it. Just a tool, a screwdriver can be pretty deadly in the wrong hands also.

Small diesel is probably the safe bet. Diesel fuel could be made fairly easily. Or maybe even a small woodgas fueled engine.

Not everyone with a gun thinks they are Rambo. Some of them are quite capable of looking at a gun just like any other tool. And sure they have drawbacks also. Just a way to increase the odds of survival. Can a guy with a knife take a guy with a gun, sure, but its not nearly as easy. Which increases the risk. And even…

And hey if you’ve got the power and equipment to read it, most of the useless stuff would still be pretty good down time reading material.

Not sure if joking ? How does that work? Who enforces the law that no one can have a gun after society collapses and its difficult to enforce any law. Do you go around and collect everyone’s guns? Honor system that no one will use them? Expect that no one can build one at home? Realistically its impossible to totally…

I’d believe that, I feel it’s really the transitional period that’s really the danger. The initial fall, if you will, some places would bounce back faster than others. Once the initial confusion is over I believe things would gain some semblance of normality fairly quickly, but on much smaller scales.

Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think the gun turns someone into any super hero James Bond what have you. If I could only have one thing, I just feel a rifle would be more useful than a few gallons of water or food. I just feel its a tool that increases your options. A lot of that thinking probably has to do with my…

If you move fast enough you may just make it. I’m just trying to be realistic. For that plan to really work I just feel you would have to get out pretty quick. By the time everyone realises things are hosed your trapped.

Great, so a moving unarmed target with waterwater, probably better at that point to just hunker down and wait out as long as you can, hope things calm down a bit before you can come out and scavange. Though at that point it’s likely only the meanest ones who have survived and your still unarmed.

The problem is before that 3rd week, when the guy with the gun is still strong enough to use it, the unarmed persons water supply is an easy target. When society collapses people don’t get nicer, and there will be no one else to protect you, or in this case avenge you.

The rifle has to be the way to go. And if you splurge on something like a trijicon tripower, you should be prepared for most situations, without worry about the batteries or electronics frying (you loose features but not the sight) add a magnifyer drop down for longer ranges and that seems to me to be about the ideal…