Pretty sure most US car buyers get one (maybe two) short test drive(s); many concerns may not become apparent until much later. This is how GM managed to sell cars with rear windows that didn’t roll down, back in the malaise era.

The extra money could be used to provide childcare and healthcare (again, this presumes a functioning government which concerns itself with the well-being of the populace). This would boost the economy something incredible; imagine the number of people who could get jobs if there was a way to not have to stay home…

Sorry, my fault for taking either party’s statements and stances as actually having any meaning.

Pretty sure overlanders and RV owners like to at least imagine that they can go off the beaten path and follow their hearts, rather than being forced to plan every journey around charger locations.

I have a friend whose mother tried to smuggle 10 pounds of qazı from Kazakhstan and got stopped at JFK. FYI, qazı is sausage made from horse meat and mounted on entire horse ribs and then air cured in the smoke in the upper part of a yurt. Bulky, smelly, deeply illegal - but these guys have her beat, with goat…

<golf clap>

I assume 250 miles is highway miles. All I know is that if I only drove 250 miles in a day while on a road trip, I will feel an abject failure. Planning one’s entire RV adventure around chargers sounds like the opposite of the freedom that these people are chasing. Not saying these perceived needs are all justified,…

What happened to bullet proof glass? Is that still going to be a thing?

In 2045, having one of these next to a DeLorean will be someone’s wet dream. 

Campers are the last vehicles that will be electrified. I cannot see 250 miles of range working for anyone except overlawners.

It was a good bailout, but I still think the government should have asked for more. Like, we will bail you out, but we will remove CAFE and EPA loopholes for trucks gradually over the next few years.

You are aware that humans programmed the computer, right?

Soooo... the news is that generally unattractive cars are selling slower? Savvy buyers can get a deal on a car that savvy buyers wouldn’t buy to begin with? Whoop-tee-doo. Gimme a deal on a used Honda Element or a 1998 Nissan Stagea; then we will talk.

Although I will admit that there is a counter argument - in Europe, where energy is not cheap, car buyers have nonetheless switched over to SUVs en masse recently. Not sure what’s happening any more.

CAFE is a horrible method to attain better fuel economy. It completely ignores game theory, as buyers have no (apparent) interest in efficiency and sellers only care to meet the targets to avoid fines.

Awful - but I guess that Rivians don’t exist in large enough numbers yet, as they will really wreck the curve.

That would have been a lot less complex if the new car was a compact car capable of a genuine 40mpg.

We just moved, and in our new town most kids bike or walk to school. It’s amazing. There are also more houses with Wu-Tang presidential yard signs than there are thin blue line flags; I am thinking these may correlate. Too bad my nine-year old daughter is capable of being lost within sight of the front door...

I remember the excitement of being driven to pre-school once, and hoping that my classmates would get to see my dad’s red 1983 Opel Ascona.

Seconded. I would also like to point out that in England, it’s not Camry v RAV4 but Yaris/Corolla being replaced with RAV4.