I assume your SUV is a Chevy, Ford, Toyota, Nissan, or something like that, not an exotic. And since you’re starting on snow its going to manage the limited grip from the get go.

So you scrolled up and re-read.

And in the same Chicago conditions I’ve driven on PZero tires and lost traction rather easily doing very mild things. Nothing like what is in the video.

The video does not need to be refuted because it is irrelevant to my point about all around daily performance. You keep arguing against what you -FEEL- I wrote, not what I actually wrote. Show me him doing that in winter, on summer tires, on a city street and then it will mean something.

Such an astounding argument. Here’s what you can do for me. Set up your fancy caddy with its summer tires on dry pavement in the cold with a pot hole in the left tire track and nice patch of ice in the right. Now launch as hard as you can. Be sure to take video.

“LOL I know they are not “magical” and I know a hell of a lot more about how they work than you do.”

“Go drive any car post 2000 and keep all the driver aids on and try to have any fun. It doesn’t let you.”

Stang70SPORTSROOF. I’ve been winter driving RWD since I started driving. So instead of declaring “everything you are saying is wrong” why don’t you show it?

I did not write anything about “advanced”. Didn’t use the word. Didn’t bring it up in any way. It’s real easy to show someone is “wrong” when you make the arguments for them. Notice how you quote the person I replied to, but you don’t directly quote my reply, instead you substitute what you -FEEL- my reply was.

“You are so totally wrong and sounds like you are going down swinging.”

I did not state it did have a fancy system. Did you ever learn how to read or do you simply like making up arguments for me because you don’t have the ability to come up with one that actually applies.

I’ve made a coherent argument. That the systems are not magical and the driver assists being argued don’t matter on a city street in winter conditions on the wrong tires for those conditions. But you’re insisting that exotics have a magical traction control system that can find traction where it doesn’t exist.

You want to talk about -this- video instead of exotics in general? Ok, in this video we see a dufus driving in cold Canadian weather on PZero summer tires. Tires which are not to be used per their manufacturer, below about 50F if I recall correctly. And no, it’s not about someone doing a 100mph on a track, so lets…

You’re confusing drivers’ aids for track and other enthusiast purpose systems with practical situations.

“The principles and development of awesome traction control is no crazy investment that small companies can’t afford.”

Yes the peanut gallery that tells me Tesla Motors ‘pay attention’ line in their owner’s manual absolves them of the imperfections of computerized systems is telling me that low volume exotic manufacturers that often don’t have the bandwidth to pay attention to details like serviceability or part longevity or even…

And most of your list doesn’t manage to make cars that don’t catch fire. The one that doesn’t, Porsche, is a mass manufacturer, not a low volume exotic.

“New systems integrate both, adding side-to-side traction control via electronically-controlled diffs, plus individual wheel braking,”

“It doesn’t matter what kind of tires you have on.”

It’s amazing how you can’t read. I didn’t write ‘can’t’ I didn’t even mention any make explicitly. But don’t let that get in the way. Or even that in replies mentioned SAE articles from the 1990s on said systems. Economically not feasible doesn’t mean can’t. I’ve had to not do many things I could do because simply…

I got my ‘12 doing some squirrely things on the factory summer tires in just moderate cold that every other set of summer tires I’ve ever had on my older Mustang was fine with. (traction control on) Had I been full on throttle I probably would have crashed. Especially the first time when the concrete wall was six…