I remember speaking with my father and my brother about this back around November/December. My father was a 737 pilot for 30+ years, and flew almost every version from the 200 to the 800. He retired before the Max 8 entered service, but he suggested that it might have been a “runaway trim” issue and that the crash…

No.

My understanding is that “TFM” didn’t have enough actual information on these systems to educate the pilots. Something to do with being able to sell the airplane as “just another 737" so all pilots who were certified on the 737 could just get in it and fly without going through a training and certification process.

I think the lack of training is a contributing factor but the actual fault and cause of the incident seems to be this system kicking on when it gets some faulty readings.

I bet the report will say the cause of these accidents were inadequate pilot training. If that’s the case, the blame should lay on both the airlines and Boeing for delivering a product without a proper guide. 

That’s only for road racing. Autocross, track days, and even time attack (or time trials as SCCA refers to them) can be done with a stock car.

I have at least 2 clients a week that I have to explain how common this really is. “But UpUpAndAHey!, it’s a brand new vehicle!”  Sir, I cannot go against Mother Nature.

I had a 97 outback. One day the exhaust snapped. In the couple days I waited for a free moment with my mechanic I got challenged twice. I guess a big sound is enough to get their attention.

No roll cage for autocross.  You can also do track days with a stock car.  I did plenty at Gingerman.

Maybe they just wanted to see you fly off in your new car?  But yeah, driving an aggressive or sporty looking car gets you attention, both good and bad (seems like mostly bad).  There’s another +1 for sleepers.

I once had a beat to hell 90's Saturn do this to me on the toll road near Austin.

Recommend he revs his engine, then lets them tear off while he drives at a normal pace.  Maybe they’ll get a ticket.. or hit a Rolls Royce.

It is.  Just male posturing.

I drive a standard, un-upgraded mustang gt and it happens regularly. It is annoying. And it’s almost always someone with a garbage looking car.. like a beat to hell f-body camaro or a thrashed pontiac grand prix or some such other. So if I win, I beat a shitbox.. and if I lose, I lost to a shitbox. And I’m risking…

Boeing must have given the job to an intern accountant.

Warning. Large Earth straight ahead. Would you like to engage No Crash Plz system?

Actually, the Max and all planes allow the human to make the final decision. Unfortunately, in these 2 cases, the humans didn’t have the training or knowledge to make the correct decision. And the manufacturer made it exceedingly difficult to do so based on economic reasons as opposed to safety reasons.

Because aviation is pushing automation as much as possible to try and minimize pilot error. But you need to make sure the system is actually a good one first. 

What is insane to me is that the MCAS system is smart enough to detect a stall, but not smart enough to realize when it’s nosing the plane straight into the ground.  Wouldn’t whatever the “No Crash Plz” system is called override MCAS?

Black box recordings from the Lion Air flight show this cycle repeated 21 times, with the captain eventually attempting to pull the plane’s nose back up with force before the plane dived into the sea.