For one model year they will then they will jack up the price and make fancy luxury packages practically mandatory add ons and make them crazy expensive.

Did they remember the price has to be small too?

A reasonable market price for this is around $18K. It’s condition might get it to $20K. $24K is way beyond what this can bring. There are too many available to be able to sell this at the mileage for this price. ND

Wait a minute, weren’t you high throughout high school? That’s important to your story!

I gave you a star. Not because I agree with you, but because you’ve taken what will probably be the only rational NP statement for today. 

It’s a crappy Pinto. Regarding the updates, all I see is lipstick on a pig.  ND all day.

This is subjective of course, but when you combine the quality of vehicles and the size of the company, it is easy to argue that Toyota knows what it is doing more than anyone else. (VW and Stellantis larger, but come on...quality?). Yet, when Toyota says this exact thing about hybrids, everyone is like ‘Toytoa…

EVS ARE THE WORST THING TO EVER HAPPEN TO THE ENTIRE WOLRD OMG IM GONNA SHID MY PAND IF PEOPLE DONT STOP BUYING THEM

We can’t consume our way out of a problem. Modern hybrids are cleaner and more efficient than they’ve ever been, and are a perfectly acceptable stopgap while the EV infrastructure improves and prices come down, which is when you’ll start to see mass adoption. 

I’m perfectly setup for having an EV. I don’t do that many long trips anymore and I have a garage with a TON of available power from a HVAC system upgrade that left me with an unused 40A 220V breaker.

First Gear: I don’t know about anyone else, but for me it’s the math. I’ve run all the figures and based on my average driving, I would be paying significantly more to have an EV that’s a similar size and capability of my current ICE. I could probably get it closer cost wise, but why should I pay more for less? 

First gear: There are legitimate reasons why EVs don’t work for certain use cases, but the main reason why places like California have adopted EVs at many multiples of other states is that EVs have become front and center in the culture wars. Instead of a machine, EVs have become a symbol of latte-sipping liberals…

Americans who have made the shift to electric vehicles so far tend to be richer, younger and more likely to live in urban areas than the average person, research shows. Many reported being motivated by environmental concerns, and some by interest in the latest, cutting-edge technology.

1st Gear: Among the many issues impeding BEV adoption in the US (and elsewhere?), one that I have not seen much reporting on is the cost of repairs for these vehicles. While I will grant you that EVs don’t need oil changes as frequently as ICE vehicles, what happens when you drive over a pothole or get into a fender…

What a tie up and lost OEM and losing EV maker, what could go wrong here? 

As a Boomer that grew up on 60's Beach Boys but favored Jan & Dean, I don’t wear jeans shorts and the line Montserrat Mystique in Kokomo sounds more like “mounds of rotten steak”.  I do like it, but would not write that check.

This has got to be the most boomer of boomer cars ever featured on this site. Its in Phoenix too- a place boomers love to retire to. I’d bet hard cash the owner probably wears one of those tacky Hawaiian shirts with old cars on it, loves Jimmy Buffet, and all other things that boomer dudes stereotypically do.

I would lol. They’ve shown their reliability already in Europe and China.

Will anyone in the US actually buy a Chinese vehicle? I know I surely wouldn’t. Affordable or otherwise, I just don’t know who’d roll the dice. Of course, they said the same about the Korean automakers 25-30 years ago.

While I firmly believe that corporate executive pay is WAY WAY TOO HIGH, they don’t really get paid like normies. They’re getting tons of stock options, the value of which depend on the company’s performance. They’re also given in batches, over a period of years. So they’re getting “paid” now for options they earned…