That was admittedly a stretch but still watching Batman & Robin is more enjoyable than watching Gotham at this point. Each episode is kind of a chore to get through currently.

At least Batman & Robin is entertaining in an awesomely bad kind of way due to it going full ham. This show is a hamfest but it also wants us to take it seriously.

Gotham: Where even the music has foreshadowing

Lana Del Rey with that backing track tho!

I honestly hope that the show will get better but I'm just not seeing it right now. At least Supernatural had pre-angst Sam & Dean.

It's Gotham. EEEEEEEVERYTHING is cutthroat

…wait…that's NOT what they've been doing this whole time?

She had a solid voice and I fail to see how simply walking up to someone and kissing them constitutes as "good" seduction skills

I've seen the Waynes' get shot so many times by this point that I literally can't be bothered to feel any type of way about it anymore.

Seriously. Her screening process for potential assassins is terrible. So far we know she can sing, has sub par seduction skills and can win a street fight. Total threat right there.

If this show was pure cheese from the get go I probably would've been more okay with it.

I've been stuck in that place since the second episode. I feel like I'll give it to the mid season finale due to the fact that I'm a stubborn glutton for punishment (you're looking at the guy who watched all 10 seasons of Smallville) but I'm probably gonna regret it.

Gotham feels like it's trapped in the middle of a Venn Diagram with Nolan's Trilogy on one side and Burton's Batman Returns on the other.

Is it just me or does Maroni switch accents constantly? He's cartoonishly Italian one moment and then Spanish Drug Lord the next.

Gordon and Cobblepot are the show's saving grace for me but everything else is just annoying. It's a mess thematically, I really don't care about Bruce's origin story anymore (or any of the other non-Penguin top tier villains on the show for that matter), all of the women on the show suck and the writing is as subtle…

This episode wasn't as much of a chore as the last three, I'll give them that much, but I'm still not really happy to be here. This episode felt less bogged down by OVERT foreshadowing and seemed to ride Batman's coat tails a little less but it was still, as OP said, problematic (I either don't care about or hate all…

*stares longingly at your profile pic*

That's the best thing about Lloyd, he's the embodiment of ungrateful ass believers who think that everything is about instant gratification

His back and forth exchanges with Fish were often times the funniest part of the show to me

Cuban? I'm not taking it if it ain't cuban