I understand fully what you are saying, I just fundamentally disagree with it. Take some shots from a 20MM or 30MM AA gun? Sure.. That was proved out in Desert Storm. Take a missile from a BUK system, or any other medium range AA Missile system? It will be mince meat. The adversaries of most of the countries that…

So - Whats the point then? :) They dont need em, we have em.. Also - Any attack by Russia on a NATO country (E. European) would draw us in as you said. I highly doubt we would use A-10’s in a battle with Russian regulars. Our A-10’s would be no more survivable then a Polish A-10. Same thing goes for the Chinese and…

Hah, not a bad idea. :)

I didnt mean S. Korea fighting China, I meant them fighting N. Korea. N. Korea ground AA will decimate the A-10’s. Keep in mind, once you cross the DMZ you are talking about a AA network that has been put in place specifically to take out threats like the A-10.

North Korea has a decent amount of AA capability. Nothing the A-10 could reasonably survive in.

No way they could maintain them, train the pilots, and arm them. Also - They are not a air-to-air threat, if they fell into the wrong hands their is only so many places they could hide. We could take them out in about 5 minutes. No threat to anyone.

How long do you think a A-10 would last against Russia? 5 Minutes? How about against North Korea? 10? China? Maybe 5 minutes.. Israel is the only one on the list that makes sense. Any other country, and the A-10 is Mince-Meat. Great counter-insurgency weapon, useless on the modern battlefield.

Have to disagree. The use case for the E. European allies would be limited. I personally just don’t think they are survivable in a fight with any country with any sort of basic air defense. The Europeans you mention would presumably want them to deter the Russians, which I dont think it would due in the least bit as…

..Suck the paint off your house and give your family a permanent orange afro.

Um, see, now you are proving you are the one that has been lied to, or have a huge misconception of the U.S.

Yep, dont disagree with what you said. One small point though - You are assuming total domination of the combat zone by U.S. forces. Sometimes, that just wont be the case, and overkill will be ‘better’ then using something else.

Good point - I’d say two things:

With no way to get them into the area of operations, nor protect them when they get there. We would need to be producing Ford class carriers at a clip of a few a year, along with satellites, F-35’s, B-2’s, etc at a rate that was impossible to do.

I totally agree. The Chinese are a lot of things, but Stupid is not one of them. They wont risk a Nuclear exchange any more then we will. A conventional war over a piece of turf, yep, I think they will do that. It will be violent, but end quickly..

So Patton, whats your solution? Nuke em? Embargo? Un-restricted submarine warfare?

No one knows, and anyone that says they know, is full of shit.

Same sort of story.. Great uncle flew the same route in WW2. He was back in for Korea, and then they tried to bring him back for Vietnam. The answer? “I’ve been shot at in two wars already, no thanks..”

Try me.. Maybe i’ll surprise you. I highly doubt anyone is reading this nested conversation at this point, so nothing to fear from other people.

You spout nonsense from behind a screen about how everyone hates the U.S., including you, how every other country is better, and how the U.S. has provided nothing of value. You say we are all brainwashed, and dont have a world view. All this while not giving any clue where you are sitting, and what is influencing what…

At best you are a troll, at worst, a coward. Until you are willing to be honest with people, do everyone a favor and stop posting nonsense.