Yep, get neither.  Buy something else.  

Garbage car.  Garbage engine.  ND unless <15k.  

Bingo.  Also, have a coworker with one now - he raved about it the first year, but it’s “just a car” now...  which is a big step down for him in terms of reaction.  Tells me it didn’t age all that well. 

There are 3 months of the year I can get away with driving a GR86 here - even with snow tires. Pass. Lots of folks in places where that’s not really a valid option (although I’ll grant the 2000ft “hills” we have here before you get to the mountains makes my situation more unique).

As someone looking at this, as he knows his next car is either his first BEV or last ICE, this is appealing. I’m in my car ~constantly~. 18k/yr for work alone - totals probably hit closer to 25k/yr, when you add the fun car in. I’ve driven the prior-gen Civic SI. REALLY wanted one as a fun tosser (especially with the…

And in this case, they’re both moderately stale, somewhat boring sedans too (Yes, even the Stinger GT).  The stinger dropped off my list as soon as reviews came out - clearly mediocre handling and a good-but-not-great engine didn’t do a thing to interest me.  I’d rather have an Elantra-N if I’m going down-market, or…

One of the reasons (living above Denver as I do) that I love TFL. 

Snap crackle pop? 

Only issue would be time - that’s 3 swaps, one at a time, vs 2 swaps simultaneously.  

You keep thinking it’s broken on the Camaro! It isn’t, but you think it. I even dailied it most of one summer and still didn’t get used to it. But I didn’t notice the Z wheel until someone pointed it out. Your mind makes that adjustment instantly it seems for most folks.

Having driven both the 350/370/G37, the VQ35 was happy to rev all the way to redline over and over and over again. When they expanded it to the VQ37, it lost that aspect - it pulled harder sure, but it didn’t really like being wrung out.  It wasn’t nearly as fun a motor, even if it made more power.  

You’d think so (re: the wheel), but I had both a 350 and G37, and didn’t notice it at ALL on either - it’s just to the right a bit. Contrary point - the tilt from dead straight on the Gen 5 Camaro drives me nuts, and I’ve never gotten used to it after 10 years with my ZL1 (it’s angled towards the drivers door).  

They represent nothing.  

Wait. That’s my car.

Finally a decent motor selection in the ‘Vette.  Now I’m interested again. 

This.  I’ve got 90-95% of the things I need memorized like muscle memory for anything else...  I’d rather not have to look to see “current state” to make a change.  Don’t have to with the dial.  

I have jalopnik currently muted.  What’s he saying?  

Or you live where I live. Outperforms the C8 for less money, manual transmission option (finally!) or the glorious ZF8 auto, doesn’t make you look like a boomer, and can actually be acquired, unlike the C8.

Base Yaris... circa... 2012? 13? Pre-Mazda infusion, at least. It did make the car better to drive, mind you (keep the revs up to manage DC traffic!), but the throw was similar to my Wrangler, it was just as vague, and if possible, even more rubbery.

Get them in early and you KNOW they’ll buy from you eventually.  Especially if you treat them nice.  I remember being in college looking for a replacement for my trashed Saturn, and of all the dealers, the BMW guys threw me the keys to a 2 year old 330XI and said “just bring it back before close.”  I couldn’t afford…