The only dealer I’ve had do that was Toyota, in 2002, with a Celica GTS.  My car had been totaled (but wasn’t), was shopping for something new, it was in my price range...  wouldn’t let me drive it.  Ended up eventually with an SVT Focus instead, two years after that once I finally gave up on the “fixed” Saturn.  

Lucky.  I would have SERIOUSLY considered it.  

3/4 of them don’t do the deals during the Honda Days events either. “We don’t need to.” Sigh.

I looked at EVERY dealer in the Denver area. Exactly ONE had an Accord Sport 2.0T with a stick in it, and they refused to allow test drives as it was parked next to the Type-R inside the building. Every other manual listed was actually an auto.  

That’s the positive traction law; although Utah takes it a step farther, Colorado has threatened to apply it to the cities (Denver/etc) as well, given the number of folks moving here with summer tires. It’s bloody nuts, but I get why (seen too many RWD F150s from Texas off the side of an exit ramp because they thought…

Or colorado, where aside from the positive traction laws, your snow season may be December-January, or September-June.  Kinda hard to know when to switch between the two (summer/snows), and far easier to get the best all-seasons and AWD and just drive smart.  

I’ll take the AWD sedan and manual, no hatch.

FWD manual hatchback, you mean.  No AWD + manual option listed.  

Because crossovers and sedans get almost the same gas mileage.  Especially when you consider that going from 25-30 MPG is a much smaller change than going from 20-25.  It’s a different era. 

I’m good with that honestly.  Power is power, there’s much to speak for turbo 4s, high-revving anything, AND for the big burly monsters in the GT500 and the like.  As long as it’s fun to drive and engaging, and I need a stick to be REALLY engaged.  Even if the auto is spectacular and faster on the track.  

Perfect.  Especially with the BMW aftermarket.  That’s a REAL option if they give it a stick.  PLEASE give it a stick.  

This.  I’d actually be seriously interested in a 4cyl Supra with a stick - at the mid-30s, that’d be an appealing option over a lot of other cars (The Toyobarus are off due to N/A - I live at altitude).  Even more than with the 6, as I don’t need another 300+ HP car, but I DO want at least 250 or so.  

Yes, it is.  It REALLY is.  

Yes.  

Don’t forget Credit Score may determine if you can get a JOB too these days.  It’s a “reliability” / “trustworthy” score.  >_<

Lets be honest here - most enthusiasts don’t buy wagons. That’s a weird jalopnik thing.

That’s fair, and I suspect you’re right (my response was somewhat facetious), but it’s going to be the minority, and may even be off-road only (or exceptionally limited). You’re not buying new ICE vehicles outside of rural areas, I suspect they’ll be banned from most city centers (which is going to be an interesting…

And they didn’t have Waymo running autonomous taxis around, or Tesla building cars people want, or VW abandoning combustion engines within the next 10 years, or GM rescoping for EV/Hybrid, or... I can keep going.

Why?  Won’t be gas to buy in 30 years.  Or it’ll be cost-prohibitive outside of occasional parades.  All electric.  

Ironically enough, this is what my Wrangler is for.  3 years old, always works.