This being the self-deprecating joke that VW owners make.

Nope; slightly below invoice may be the best you can hope.

I'd be interested to know if anyone actually has gotten significant savings out of VW on their slightly more exclusive stuff - GTI, GLI, Diesel Sportwagen, etc.

Well, he has that money because he's objectively better and harder working than us.

Well, it's been nice talking past each other. The point remains that markets are irrational and should be regulated.

Yes, I have a horizon fund; thanks for the retirement tips. This is all a digression from the fact that markets are irrational and amoral. Governments should mitigate the effects of those facts on the people they govern. If you don't, you get what we already have - a guaranteed 2°C of global warming.*

Investors, in aggregate, have no idea what is good for their money.

Investors have no idea what's good for their money. Basically every market crash proves that.

"It's like shaving a barrel of angry Italian gerbils - the power comes on like a side of boiled ham shot from an artillery gun. I hate traffic cameras." - Jeremy Clarkson

It has committed the cardinal sin of looking like a manual from 30 feet away!

So everyone's still in agreement - the Toyobaru twins are awesome and they totally suck.

Your comment is a bit incomprehensible, but the manual take rate was 70% for BRZ and 52% for the FR-S.

There's no reliable evidence of this. It's forum nerds talking each other in circles.

Yeah, you pretty much have to be a big old dumb-dumb to like VW, I guess. You can probably go over to Kia with a spreadsheet and feel smart about how much money you're saving.

I've never seen any proof of this. It's just seems like weird quasi-racist claptrap and conjecture by idiot forum nerds.

"German cars not what they used to be" - So they went from being expensive and refined but unreliable to... Being expensive and refined but unreliable.

It's one of those things you probably have to see in person to see if looks cheap and flat. The photos might miss depth and texture.

Eh, for GT cars it seems way less important to have a giant handbrake lever.

Or

Subaru - "Sure, here's a supercharged BRZ! $35,000, please."

The X4, like the X6 before it, is one of the few 100% accurate indicators that someone (always a guy) is just totally execrable.