I take it you are never going to answer that question about a state with a mandate for everyone, or admit that there is a reason none do.

So, just work for one of those employers, don’t go near anyone who doesn’t, and stop whining about everyone else.    There still is an ‘everyone else’, though.  Isn’t that who you’ve been talking about?

Employers are allowed to do pretty much any damn thing they want to their employees. Now, name a state that mandates vaccine for everyone or just shut up.

Name the state that has mandated vaccine for everyone. Or look up why they haven’t and  just stop making stuff up.

Nothing you have said has made any sense. Particularly not saying I am like an antivaxer. My point is that the vaccine works, and it has worked well enough that there is no longer any basis for the government exercising ‘emergency’ powers. Unlike you, I believe in following the law. And the evidence. And you have yet…

No, my argument is that there is always a negative side to forcing people to do things they don’t want. Look at the violent episodes from just the few people on planes being told they have to wear a mask. Look at the number of people who signed up for the military pledging to obey all commands that still refused…

I’m the opposite of an antivax person. I’m saying you should stay vaccinated/boosted, maintain good overall health, and get on with your life. I was all for lockdowns and mask mandates pre-vaccine when people were dying like flies and couldn’t do anything about it, but it is time to move on. The virus is already everyw…

Again, see your doctor about antibody injections if you are immunocompromised - and follow whatever the advice is. And do the same things you do to avoid the bazillion other diseases that have been around forever. Kids whose parents don’t do the best for them are unfortunate, but you are talking about literal warfare…

I’m saying that this graph shows death rates returning to the normal/expected value around March 27, 2022. Mouse over it to see the exact dates. It is time to just stay boosted and stop worrying. Which is what I said in the first place. As a ‘cause of death’ it is below heart disease now, so go do some exercise if you…

Yes, I’m saying that those things won’t work any more than they already have when they took the ‘death from all causes’ down to the normal/expected rates from pre-pandemic times. If you think more is possible, prove it. And the standard for medical proof is a large-scale blind controlled study.

By the way, here is a useful graph to show where we are in pandemic-land. It shows the number of deaths from all causes compared to a baseline from pre-pandemic years. Note the drops after each vaccine/booster deployment - and that in May 2022 the death rate dropped to the old expected pre-covid level, and has crept…

Realistic, not edgy. And you have not shown one bit of proof that anything you have blathered about would make a difference, particularly trying to force other people to do things they don’t choose to do. It is not that I don’t care about anyone else, it is that I recognize their right to make their own choices.  Just…

Any win over nature is temporary - it is going to take its course in the end. There are solutions for the immunocompromised as we started this thread with. Being disabled doesn’t have much to do with anything. If you have some specific issue yourself, work out the best approach with your doctor.

Do you think Dr. Fauci and President Biden spend their time in badly ventilated places?  Yet they caught it.   “I’m” not normalizing a pandemic - I’m telling you that the virus is here and not going away. Wear a mask if you think that is going to keep it out. Stay out of places that you think are not ventilated well…

Masks, vaccination, ventilation are all things you can do for yourself. Mandates are kind of irrelevant. At this point 70% of the population or so has already had covid-19 at least once anyway, and post-vaccines it isn’t causing ‘mass’ suffering and death.

As I said, my sister who got the antibody treatment because her doctors thought it would be more effective than the 2nd booster did not get covid when other people in her home had it. So, in the one case I know about, it was 100% effective (along with previously having 3 vaccine shots). On the other hand, it could be…

The pandemic part was pre-vaccine, when lockdowns and mandates were warranted to keep hospitals from being swamped. Now, you can choose to stay vaccinated and you are very unlikely to die or be hospitalized even if you get a case with some symptoms. Try to find the covid death rate for vaccinated/boosted people before…

Yes, when you are contagious several days before tests or symptoms show it is bound to spread wildly.  But weirdly, I know many people including myself who didn’t catch it even when someone else in the house had it.

Research is still happening, of course, and better treatments may be developed, but basically there’s no way to stop something that is already this widely distributed and is contagious days before any tests or symptoms show. It’s a disease like a bazillion others and some people are going to be vulnerable - like they…

Sometimes - but it’s not like this is the first disease anyone has had to worry about. You just have to get the vaccines and any other treatments your doctor advises.