I brought women up because you seem to think those traits are traits of masculinity?

"He doesn't care about her opinion being different because the difference between opinions was never of interest to begin with."

"The world moves around you".... wow, that is egotistical.

Yeah. But if advertising something as "manly" to get them to try something different it's not necessarily a bad thing. It's extremely sad that they are afraid of touching anything deemd "unmanly" with a 10-foot pole, but if it gets them to broaden their views even a little it's at least not terrible.

This. For any given group, assholes always yell loudest.

Because being honest with each other about what you want is out of the question?

If you need a woman to provide a sounding board for you or be submissive in order for you to feel masculine, you're really not masculine. At all.

What would you call argumentative or bitchy?

And here I thought most high school boys wanted more body mass to avoid being beat up in the locker room.

I don't think it's not a problem. But it's up to men to take that up, because we don't really know how you feel about the representation of men in media.

I actually like the third site. It's very informative on a number of subjects, and is interesting to read. Though utterly useless to me unless I'm dressing my husband.

I'm not saying that we should try to design for various kinds of body types; I just felt that Penguin was a getting a lot of flak for that statement because it was being misinterpreted. Though the argument seemed to get kind of heated on both sides downthread...

You sure it wasn't the person you were replying to that did it? The person directly upthread of you can always delete your posts.

I don't think she was arguing that, so much as people are trained to make clothes that look better on tall, thin people ^^

That's adorable >_<

I do the same thing. No respect from these people, smh.

Yes, but at least I won't be subjected to the drool of kids who still need to be carried by their parents or forced to hold them or kiss them.

I'd say it's okay, but if they start crying or smack/kick you in the face or chin, stop.

Thank the gods I'm pretty well-known to be a vehement child-hater. Uck!

That is absolutely horrible and I am so sorry.