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Thank goodness someone else gets it, did this article get posted on some MRA sub-reddit or something? Because the comments certainly seems more creepy than usual.

Let's look at it this way, you're hired to make a film which involves one revealing scene. The producer decides to film it in public and now you have a bunch of strangers leering at you.

Thanks for bringing that up, let's talk about both of those things. I'll start:
They're both terrible but the latter is certainly more so, but let's not derail a conversation about one injustices just to talk about another one, otherwise we'll be at it all day find worse things we could be talking about.

Some women like it too. The issue isn't that straight men find attractive women attractive it's that they use that as an excuse for inappropriate behavior.
You can see an attractive person and think they're attractive without stopping and starring or taking a photo without their consent. That's creepy.

There's a difference between "expecting people not to look" and "expecting people not to gawp and take crotch shots while waiting for a wardrobe malfunction".
Honestly, I'm not surprised that people do that, it's exactly what I'd expect, that doesn't mean it's not disappointing when it happens.
After Trump's election,

People keep bringing up the fact that it would happen like it's some kind of defense.
I don't get what's so hard to understand about a performer signing up to be ogled in a certain context not want to be ogled in another context.
Most actors will have specifically rules about what exactly can be shown of their body in

Actually the models were male and female, as was the audience and we wanted people to look at the campaign as a whole, not to salivate over the individuals involved while we were still filming.
I'll use my chef analogy again, a chef may be hired to cook a meal for someone to eat, that doesn't mean you can start

They want you to look at the finished shot in the context of the film, preferably after you've paid for it.
You can't walk into a restaurant kitchen and start eating handfuls of raw ingredients while shouting "you want me to eat this food anyway!".

I do agree with that, the production company has a responsibility to keep the performers and crew safe. It should be something you take into account when location scouting, scheduling and risk assessing.
Sometimes the scene can't be re-written though, not without fundamentally changing the campaign but I agree crews

Yea, I suppose it depends on your definition of 'gawking' but noticing and appreciating is fine by me. Just remember you're looking at a human being not a cool statue.
You'd be surprised how many entitled people are out there who think any model/actor on the street is there for their amusement.
It's an easy thing to get

I'll admit there's a fuzzy line, just ask yourself "would I feel comfortable if someone was looking at me like this while I was doing my job?" if the answer is "no" then it's probably not cool.
Facial expression definitely comes into it, as does distance and duration.
People tend to forget models aren't exhibitionists.

I would just suggest that people don't stop and stare but apparently that's unreasonable.
To be fair, the models I've worked with didn't complain about it but it did slow down the shoot and I imagine the kind of attention they were getting would make anyone uncomfortable no matter how thick skinned.
We had some grade-A

Often times they don't, they want to get the shot, go home and get paid.
Shocker.
The scene may need to take place in public for context/budget reasons but that doesn't mean they want a live audience.

Again no ones doubting that's what people are going to do but I still don't think it's cool.
If a model or actress is half naked in the street surrounded by a film crew, that probably means they're doing a specific job, your gawking makes that job more difficult and may make them feel more uncomfortable.
It's not like

Well that's a debate about language for another time.
But it's also not just sex that relates to consent, it's every kind of sexual behavior (from sending dick pics to grinding on someone in a club), if all parties involved are consenting then it's okay, if they're not then it's not.

Well obviously that's what you'd expect to happen, doesn't exactly make it okay.

Is MRA an insult?
Seems to me to just be a description, like 'racist' or 'sexist'.
If someone calls you racist, they're not insulting you they're warning you, like saying "you have something in your teeth" you can take it as an insult or you can fix the problem.

It good if it's consensual and bad if it's not.
At least that's my experience with other liberals, I'm not American though so maybe you guys have different rules over there.

It's sad but I think you're right, a consequence of teaching girl that landing a "good man" should be one of their primary goals (if not their only goal) is that they see other women as their "competition" and that could lead to them voting for someone like Trump who doesn't support women.
They want to make the "game"

Should have read all the replies before writing my own. Basically this.
Although I was taught the expression as "kill your babies" and it applied to editing.
Same principle though, that's why it's always good to have someone with no connection to the shoot in post-production, someone with unbiased eyes who has no idea