I’m not sure it’s about the purists... every single iteration of the Porsche is usually one of the best all around sports focused cars and short of spending lots and lots more money - there aren’t many - if any - competitors that can match it.
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The entire survey is 12 months. Not ten years. Jesus. What planet are you from. Take a class on datasets and stats.
I’m really glad that your personal Fusion has been dead reliable, but there is no single body of work that rates US sedans as cheap to run or as reliable as Japanese sedans, particularly Toyota.
Going by your name, I assume you have some bias. But considering the core of your rant is based a single survey with, only the prior 12 months of service history, it doesn’t seem very comprehensive. You also failed to mention that the same survey shows Ford having double the out of pocket cost for newer models than…
Your anecdotal experience isnt backed up by numbers:
Again - I’d like to see the numbers on this, because a 15 year old Taurus is not as reliable as a 15 year old Toyota anything. If I were to drive a 15 year old Mustang it would be rattling like a bucket of nails. Ford gets shit on because outside of the F series, most of their cars are kind of shit after 5 years.
I really want to see numbers on this because to me it sounds like typical anti-union bullshit. GM was on the record a few years ago saying that US labor was 5% of their total US revenue. So a 20% increase in labor costs would move their total cost vs. revenue in the single digits.
It’s also long view vs. short run - Toyota set out with an identity that was about creating reliable cars and they’ve focused on that differentiator, avoiding new tech until it was fully tested. Over decades they’ve stayed true to that idea and guess what - their cars sell for more, they have a ton of brand…
As much as Ford and Chevy would like to believe otherwise, for utilitarian cars they’re still plagued with quality issues you don’t see in Japanese cars. I don’t get it. It’s almost as if they were run by a mindless board that only wants to maximize profit for as long as they can while under-investing in R&D and…
I think you’ll find plenty of people on the 4Runner forums asking about/griping about the age of the platform. But it’s also a different market. Body on frame is pretty much about solid reliability, which, is boring, and in turn, also has some security in lack of change.
I’m pretty pleased so far, it’s everything the 4Runner was, but better. And more expensive :)
4 months ago :). I ended up finding a 1999 - with center and rear lockers, black. 180k miles.
Lol. Maybe so. But since I paid 5500 4years and 40k miles ago, I felt pretty fine about it.
Not sure that’s true. I just sold my 3rd Gen 4Runner - Limited with a bunch of upgrades and a new suspension and barely 180k miles for 6500. In Portland. Bought a Cruiser.
Yep. Any other answer other than 4Runner is a dumb idea. Unless that answer is Land Cruiser. Harder to find in the budget though.
Porsche is the best recommendation. BMWs especially E9x M3s have some garbage reliability. 997s will run forever.
Cheap sophistry. Keep cashing your Boeing checks.
Give me a break, your entire thread has been a cheap “gotcha”. Pot and kettle homey, get over yourself.