At first I thought you were being casually racist by implying that the person who invented those wheels must have been a refugee from Cuba, then I thought, maybe he’s just saying we should drop the inventor into Havana which is fairly poor and isolated and they’d never get out, which is still sorta racist, but maybe…

Lol, you’re assuming most car buyers went to business school or studied finance.

Jesus. Are you kidding? Is there actually some kind of dealer cartel? Am I being punked? There are reputable sellers and non reputable sellers.

I think you’ve been buying some bullshit someone in your parts department is selling you. The OEM doesn’t set an additional quality check between their manufacturing quality check and the car manufacturer. Nor does their tooling and process change. The car manufacturer CERTAINLY doesn’t. They just use vendors they…

Truecar obviously isn’t the statistical end all be all, but that’s a pretty evenly spread curve that has a 4-5k range. For a V6 Camry.

Because his point wasn’t just whether or not people did or didn’t like the experience, it was that the bad experience didn’t really equal a significant savings. Which it does. So the opinion is wrong.

Yeah, that’s exactly the point I’m taking issue with. “Typically” the difference isn’t as low as you said.

Sorry buddy, here’s the only thing I’m “inferring” and it’s a direct quote:

LOL. What a ridiculous thing. Of COURSE if you let the dealer charge you whatever the hell they want your experience will be better. The salesmen will be congenial and happy. The sales manager will make you feel smart and cool and they’ll kiss your ass. But the idea that if you try to get discounts the only savings…

I don’t know. I think you might be exaggerating in the wrong direction. Had I just taken the first, second or sixth offer the dealership gave us to buy my wife’s GTI SE I would have paid 31k as opposed to 26.5. For that I’ll sit with anyone for hours if that’s what it takes. Guess what. Also I love the car.

The reason many disagree is because you’re 100% wrong. It’s pretty easy to find the manufacturer and part number, and get an OE part without the insane dealer markup.

Did you watch the video. They actually weren’t griping so much about the power. More about the torque curve and how to fix it.

Not to mention it’s a handsome assed design that absolutely destroys the overwrought bullshit we see today. Lean with just the right amount of muscle. Plus modern enough to have most of the conveniences so you won’t hate it - vs an 80s or earlier land cruiser or jeep. The only downsides are the really overboosted…

3rd gen 4Runner. Can be had for under 6k in amazing condition. Get with a rear locker. Spend the rest of your budget on getting all the mods. Slight lift with either icon or king - solid roof rack with tent, armor if you want it, supercharger if you feel you want extra power. All cheap. Dead reliable. And as an added…

Tom - even people that own the car complain about the power - check the “Everyday Driver” review of the BRZ which they modified, vs a Turbo BRZ.

Lol. I’ve played the late 90s mid 2k German car game. If it’s typical the engine and tranny are OK and basically everything else is cost cutting garbage. But I’m still tempted.

I LOVE the E38. I’d buy one except aren’t they terribly unreliable? Please tell me the people who told me so are wrong, and I’ll add another car to my stable.

Putting a fairly high strung engine in vehicle ostensibly made for family hauling doesn’t seem like a great idea. They’d be better off putting a smallish turbo on it for a little better lower end.

Porsche could never really meet demand unless you mean demand at their price point. I also understand building a halo or aspirational model a la Ford GT to drive sales. But Porsche hardly needs that. They basically just built an awesome stripped GT3 RS and marked it up. That’s ballsy even by Porsche standards.

Alternatively, they could have had the same impact by doing a first release for people like that and doing a second release to meet demand. It would be nice if enthusiast cars could go to all willing enthusiasts with the means to buy them. Not just connected collectors - I realize in the case of the GT this is more or…