Exactly. It still reads super dismissive.

Exactly. She might not be saying she's against feminism, but she is dismissing it as something optional for women, which is kind of infuriating.

Well and then there's the subtle hints about my eating and exercising habits and when we go shopping and my weight has fluctuated she'll look at the size 10 jeans I grabbed and will shake her head. .... You know, THE NORMAL STUFF.

Does it need elaborating?

Oh my god, when I first read this I thought the daughter was using the spinning attachments and I'm thought, "That is a TERRIBLE IDEA!" But okay, using the body of the handmixer makes more sense. Less things to get caught down there. Yeeeeesch.

And again, as long as everyone is on the same page and communication happens constantly to make sure everyone is comfortable and happy, open relationships are perfectly fine. It just takes work. :)

Oh, let's see.....

But you know what, even if he DID mistake her for someone who he would be totally okay with grabbing in public like that, you better be DAMN sure that it is that particular person. And let's face it, the chances of him actually thinking it was someone he knew for a FACT would be completely okay with him doing that is…

My mom LOOOOOOVES playing devil's advocate. I really don't know why, but she'll do the same thing to me. When I was telling her about female scientists erased from the history books, she said, "Well, you know TRADITIONALLY women haven't been interested in science." And I almost lost it.

Well yeah, but we ARE. Well okay I can only speak for myself, but I do see women talking about this stuff and supporting female-focused movies.

Would P&P pass? Granted I'm thinking of the 2005 version right now but most of the conversations that happen between women in that movie are about potential marriage. .... Although actually I think there were some snippy moments between Caroline and Elizabeth that didn't mention a man, so actually it MIGHT pass.

Or where the violence is framed in a way where it's meant to titilate the audience. That's the other way an action movie can be sexist.

That being said, when I do see a movie that passed it I celebrate. And while I won't dismiss a movie that fails, I DO get sad when it gets close and misses.

I think the Test often gets dismissed because people don't see it in terms of trends. It's not that a particular movie is bad or not feminist for not passing it entirely or at all - it's that over the DECADES so few movies have. It says more about how our entertainment and stories are primarily shown through men's…

Off hand there was also Sarah Jane, who wasn't included in that infograph's list of companions since she was more of a guest star.

But if we use "well, nothing is going to change so why even complain about it?" as a conversation-ender, then what the hell are we even doing?

And about characters talking about the plot: if two women are talking about the plot and there's no way to do that without talking about a male character and that's what it's like for most of the movies that pass this much of the Bechdel Test ... yeah, that's a problem.

Oh good, just want to make sure. :)

When we talk about rape culture, part of it is the idea that men have the right to do stuff like this because the women dared to go outside so they deserve what they get. Uggggh.

Are we asking why we watch by choice, as well? I mean I get that it's kind of interesting to wonder why we enjoy sad stories, but tragic tales are not new.