kolgrim
Kolgrim
kolgrim

I'm being deepy, deepy creepy for defending my position? You are dismissed. Seriously. If you hadn't said that, your argument would have given me pause, would have changed the rudder on my ship. But no, believing I might be right and continuing to think the same way even though a few voices on the Internet hold

I mistyped. I meant to convey that I've never spoken to a woman who even got asked out once a week, including the nice, viable ways they might have said yes to. You're right, a man touching your hair once a week or commenting on your ass once a week is a problem. We're on the same page there.

No, they are. I know that.

I feel so much like saying, "What is this, 'Women were trained to be polite' bullcrap? Do you think men were trained to be buttholes?"

I appreciate your calm and measured response. I'd prefer being able to know more about someone before the first date, but I still see this as a viable option and the women who have cottoned to it seem to agree. I guess I'll just naturally weed out the ones for whom this is a problem.

I mistyped. I meant to convey that I've never spoken to a woman who even got asked out once a week, including the nice, viable ways they might have said yes to. You're right, a man touching your hair once a week or commenting on your ass once a week is a problem. We're on the same page there.

I can't argue with that last bit. I wrote that line poorly. What I was trying to say was that I've never talked to a woman who has been asked out more than once a week, in any capacity, including the kinds of ways they've said yes to.

You certainly don't. I don't know what that's in reference to, because I didn't even express annoyance. And I don't proposition women, least not like that. What was it about my reply that got so far under your skin?

I'll address these in the order in which they were received:

Correct. I do not see his hypothetical scenario of being constantly proselytized as harassment. I use the word "harassment" to describe crude remarks made about a person (i.e. and insult) not attention that one might not want. Remember, you don't have the right to never be uncomfortable.

Right, because being nice to someone is not harassment. That's my thesis statement.

I just wanted to say thank you to the women who have replied to my initial question. Being from a smaller town and a guy, I guess I really don't have a concept of how often some women will get propositioned in a day. I maintain that the article's scenario doesn't showcase any reprehensible traits (though those who

I've read all the replies to my comment so far, and you seem like the person to ask this question:

I completely agree that people should never be harassed. I completely disagree that the scenario Mr. Ferrett proposed had any harassment in it. "He asked me to have a conversation with him even though I didn't want to" is not harassment, at least not in my book. And you're right, you don't have to prove anything to

I'm sorry to hear that. I'll never understand why some people need to tell others they find them unattractive. I have my guesses, though. Thank you for your comment.

But surely you wouldn't say that a man asking for your attention (like saying, "Hi, can I ask your name?") is itself rude, right? Especially if that guy takes the first hint that you don't want to talk? My read of Mr. Ferrett's article is that that itself is too much, and that's something I won't grant.

Required? I completely agree. My problem with this article is that it's saying, "Men, don't talk to women at all, because some other men don't know how to behave themselves," and that's something I won't grant. Thank you for your comment.

Y'see, if Mr. Ferrett had talked about one of the evangelists pinching his balls, you'd have a case. I was referring to the scenario he laid out, where the greatest crime was asking multiple times for conversation. Your scenario, I agree, should have a zero-tolerance policy. Thank you for your comment.

I'm sorry to hear that. I've never lived in a city of more than 150,000, I don't go to the same small shops or restaurants every week, and I don't stay in public for extended periods unless I'm on campus, so I have a much different context from you.

I hate to hear that. I really have no concept of that kind of behavior, so I also wish you could have my experience. It's stuff like that that causes missteps like "Schroedinger's Rapist" to get written. I keep thinking there must be something a person can say to make that stop, but I myself no people that wouldn't be