I did the same. It’s unbelievable, even after seeing what kind of damage Trump has done in just over two years, that there are still people who would vote third party if their candidate doesn’t win the nomination.

The Russians and Comey and about a dozen other points of failure, but even with all of her faults its inexcusable to have voted third party considering who is in the White House today, and even more inexcusable to vote third party in 2020.

Pro tip: if you’re going to try and jump into an already long thread pick one spot instead of replying to a handful of replies to other people. I’m going to reply to just this one because I’ve triggered enough people who just couldn’t vote for HRC despite how bad they knew that Trump would be, so I have no desire to…

My logic is solid. You’re in denial.  Every person who voted third party effectively handed their vote to Trump by taking it away from the only candidate who could have beaten him.

No...its about every kid at the southern border that Trump put in a cage, every woman in this country that now has to worry that Roe v Wade will get overturned, every parent who has to worry their kid is going to have to fight another war in the middle east etc etc etc.

I’m not sure how much of this wonderful conversation between me and “Its not at all my fault mcfaulty face” you’ve read, but I’ve never once said there isn’t plenty of blame to go around for what happened. You want to discuss Clinton’s failures as a candidate, the failures of the campaign, Comey, the Russians, or any…

let me guess: the kid was one of the few minorities in an almost all-white school, and you and yours were puzzled by why Those People always act out like that. some people are just unreachable, after all.

I knew a kid in high school who hated his teachers. He was always in trouble, didn’t paying attention, and never turned his work in on time. I’m sure it was his teachers’ fault for not teaching him hard enough though.

It wasn’t an insurmountable deficit at all, yet here we are. But ultimately the choice falls on the voter, and enough voters chose to either stay home or vote third party and directly helped a virulently racist, reality tv show star who couldn’t keep a casino from going bankrupt get the most important job in the…

Am I? Or are you failing to realize, that in 2016 just like in 2008, there were a group of voters, whom no matter what Clinton would have done, that were just flat out not going to vote for her because reasons? The only difference is that in 2016 there were enough of those people to swing the election to Trump.

yes, yes, Not Mad, Actually Laughing.

I’m not screaming...its more of a chuckle at your premise actually. The thing is I’m all for a candidate who will run a better campaign that HRC did, but the Dem nominee, whomever it ends up being, will not be the perfect candidate to every voter on the left,regardless of whether its far left or center left or…

Complete and total bullshit. A POTUS election isn’t a TV or a phone. There is an inherent importance to it, and if people don’t understand its impact and the responsibility they have then they are idiots. A candidate’s bad campaign doesn’t absolve those voters of their idiocy.

Look up at the ceiling and you’ll see the point flying directly over your head. If you PAY ATTENTION you KNOW that presidents appoint SCOTUS judges, and anyone who NEEDED a candidate, or in the case of your example a tv ad, to convince them that those judges are extremely important is PART OF THE PROBLEM.

Yeah, but she didn’t promise them a unicorn in their garage and a money tree in their yard.

Man, sure would have been great if you had paid attention, huh?

Didn’t Baker v Carr establish that gerrymandering was subject to judicial review, and that each vote had to carry equal weight? This decision will pretty much allow state legislatures claim that their redistricting is “political” when in reality they will use it to discriminate against minorities.

51.6% of eligible voters in Texas voted in 2016, and 21.%5 voted in the 2014 primaries. Beto lost to Cruz by just over 200,000 votes.  Are you really going to argue that voter turnout in Texas isn’t going to make a difference?

Around 40% of eligible voters didn’t vote in 2016, and POTUS elections aren’t really affected by gerrymandering. Had more people voted for HRC, especially in states with low voter turnout or razor thin margins like WI, MI and PA, then Trump wouldn’t be POTUS, and the court wouldn’t have added two Federalist Society…