Right! And so many of the haters are posting in discussion forums, making clear that they still ARE watching. Or if not - “I gave up on this show in season whatever” - then a) those of us who are actually trying to discuss the show don’t care and b) why are you posting if you’re not even watching it? Don’t have…

My only issue with the cliffhanger is that they played their hand a little too heavily, I thought. Telling us we’d know who died at the end of the season, then dragging out the reveal in the season opener.

Not sure who you’re addressing because of the way Kinja comments are formatted but I’ll say that I have not problem with it being brutal. That’s exactly what I expected. That’s where they’d lose me, if they held back. Hell, this is a show that started with a little girl being shot in the head.

I think they lost track of the story due cliffhanger-itis. The thing with Glenn in alley? All I could think was, “He never got under the cockadoody dumpster!” That felt like a cheat for ratings. As did the Negan stuff. I could buy Kirkman and Gimple’s (Kirple’s? Gimpman’s?) stuff about the breaking of the group being…

And Morgan giving Carol a wheelchair tour of the Kingdom, if the preview is any indication.

I have. I’m mostly up to date. I’m not sure what that has to do with my hope that they tell the story well.

To me it was watchable. I did think they dragged out the reveal too long. I liked the idea of the structure, but thought they played too long. Rick have black and white flashbacks of everybody? Come on! Why not just play the friggin’ teaser ads instead? That was really annoying. But when it finally happened, the…

Yes, and I’m also more interested to see next week’s show, and the one after that, etc. Now that we’ve gotten past this... thing, maybe we can get back to some storytelling. It will be interesting to see what they do with Negan’s reign, the Kingdom, etc.

Can we also talk about how badly drawn it is? I’m at work so I can’t browse too much (no restrictions on io9! Yay!) but it seems to me that when I saw the full cover, her anatomy looked way out of whack. As in, not physically possible.

suggest the presence of Tholians

I thought it looked like the Cape was playing bocce.

Shouldn’t Ed be sitting down cross-legged, with a computer in front of her?

Exactly. They can’t feign innocence on this.

but it’s not a first part and a second part.

So THAT’S where Klingons come from!

ne-heh-heh-HEH-ver be in the same room as you

Yeah, I’m all for good shows ending on their own terms.

I’ll be there, but I still think they should start with something like Archer & Armstrong. I’m afraid too many people - by which I mean, non-Valiant fans - are going to think it’s an X-Men ripoff.

Yep, that’s pretty much me! Still watch it every week and while I agree it isn’t always as brilliant as it was, it is sometimes.

The shooting through the phone thing: is that actually from a movie? Is that an edit. I must know!