Personally, I agree with everything you said. The only thing is if I’m in the Toyota marketing department: I know that “station wagon” equals dead product in the US. Again, I don’t agree with that as a buyer, but you, me, and a lot of the people on this site are not a good representation of American buyers.

Yeah, was looking for the SUV on the page and never saw one. (I don’t mind really... more wagons is fine with me). 

To be fair to Toyota, they’ve got this hybrid thing down. I promise you there is no 2.5T in a vehicle this weight/size that will get real world mpg anywhere close to this. Now will it be exciting? It will not.

I’ll tell you I am shocked, just shocked, that dealerships don’t want to change. I could never have predicted.

Just don’t mistake this for a “money train”... I don’t think the loot will be worth the effort.

From the lead photo, it looks like they put 13" rims on the sucker

The seats look like they received 5 fresh coats of cooking grease

Agreed, but most sedans (or at least a lot of them) are being designed this way. Someone with more design knowledge than me will know better, but I think it’s related to crash standards, increasing wheel sizes, and increasing heights to mimic crossover viewpoints.

I bought a Mazda 6 in (2003 I think), and the dealership experience then was just fine, solid car too. But I think the sticker price on that car was in the mid-20's.... so not quite the same as a $60k CX-90.

I think you nailed it. The buildings themselves are quite nice (although locations aren’t the best. But the staff just needs to learn how to work with the better vehicles they have to sell (and the customers it attracts).

Right... could be titled: Start-up is in the money-losing phase... can they make it to profitability?

Having looked at the CX-90 (and outgoing CX-9) recently, they are very good products. I think they are worth the amounts that are being asked. Having said that, if they really want to go upmarket, they have got to do something about their dealer network. 

This is just another case of “if we say it enough times, it will come true”.

The only case of paying additional is if you come up with new features that could be added after the fact. (Still, I wouldn’t pay recurring fees for such items, but one time if I wanted it). Example: They offer to upgrade your infotainment to…

If you just want an electric car, there are lots of options. If you want a Model S, this price isn’t awful based on what’s out there. It’s ok I’d say.

Agree the price is ok. It’s not a great deal, but not awful. Also, some people (like me) have zero interest in a Model 3, but would pick up a Model S for the right deal.

What kills it for me is that it’s not a realistic concept. That is, the cockpit glass is so narrow compared to the body of the car... unless this thing is massively wide, 2 people inside would have shoulders touching. It’s just a design exercise, and for that it’s fine.

Spot on. 

Because they don’t have a level crossings on high-speed rail.

Google street view from one direction in may 2023. The lack of signage isn’t good, but driving through or around the blocks on either side, straight into trees/shrubs.. come on here.

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I owned a 2012 Golf R for 6 years (4-door), and was a fantastic car. I sold it in 2019 with right around 100k miles for $16k. It was in very good (not mint) condition. So, 4 years later, (but used car market kinda nuts for the past few)... I’d say this is probably about right.