I watch that scene and it baffles me how many people disliked this movie. That fight alone was worth the price of admission. It looks amazing and it’s stunningly filmed. And the best part is it all looks real. It’s none of that CGI hopping fests they the prequels did.

Oh for fucks sake — I’m seeing this argument over and over again and it’s completely wrong: LUKE NEVER TRIES TO KILL BEN IN HIS SLEEP. This seems to be some sort of fundamental misunderstanding with what people see in the film. They see Luke standing over Ben with a lightsaber and think, “Oh, he was totally going to…

Most people are pissed about ST and SW for different reasons.

“Luke came to me in the middle of the night to kill me” is clearly Kylo’s testimony, and that scene is meant to be extremely ambiguous, which is why we it Rashomon style, three times, in three different ways.

“SW problem is completely different. TLJ is just a bad movie. For completely objective reasons. It messes up continuity, throws away all the plot lines set up in the previous movie, has characters acting in illogical and stupid ways, has a crappy plot and virtually no character development, and drops the ball in many…

My issues are with the script paying no attention to taking a character we know and explaining *why* they’re different - Luke just “is different now” with no credit to the audience.

Luke spent a whole movie talking about how Vader could be redeemed. One hint of darkness and he’s out for Ben’s head. How did he get there?

There’s also the problem that people (fans and casuals alike) who liked the film, who acknowledge but disagree with your complaints, are often characterised as fanboys or people with an agenda - largely by the people shrieking loudest that they’re being “marginalised”.

Yup. This is a major point of the movie, explaining why Luke has decided to recede from the scene. People can say they didn’t like that choice from The Force Awakens, but claiming it doesn’t make sense or isn’t explained isn’t correct.

Item 1, Luke spent a whole movie talking about how Vader could be redeemed. One hint of darkness and he’s out for Ben’s head. How did he get there?

“Luke just “is different now” with no credit to the audience. It’s bad writing.”

Funny how no one asks why he didn’t tell her his plan.

My issues are with the script paying no attention to taking a character we know and explaining *why* they’re different - Luke just “is different now” with no credit to the audience.

I think Star Trek Discovery and The Last Jedi took huge leaps forward in that they treat the characters like human beings and not archetypes.

This scene and Vader effortlessly f’ing up a ship full of rebel scum at the end of Rogue One is enough awesome to justify all three new movies so far.

When they turned back-to-back to fight together, I cheered a little in the theater. That was an awesome moment.

I had no problems wither her parents being no-one, that was one thing I think TLJ did right.

The Force Awakens answered the question of Rey’s parentage in during the discussion between Rey and Maz after the Force vision.

She told the leadership and bridge team.
After getting demoted he was neither. He figured it out by staring at the bridge monitors, you think they just forgot to screen lock them?
Tons of the people in that room, above his rank, knew exactly what the plan was. Our POV was the same as his, that of a demoted officer…

This article just makes me mad all over again at all my friends who are so called Star Wars fans that bitched and moaned about this movie.