I don’t know that I would go quite that far, but I think critics DO love the idea of subverting tropes because they see those tropes so much more often than the average movie goer.

So, I LIKED the core idea that Rey comes from no one and nothing. I just think that after setting it up the way TFA did you needed more time in this movie talking about it to make the moment land.

“Entitled” is what ANYBODY throws out now if you don’t like something they do. It’s seriously like some people don’t realize that you ARE entitled not to like something and to talk about it.

1000% agree with this.

I think the point of almost all the “flab” in this movie (and there’s a lot) is to continuously play into the central theme of the movie: Failure, and how you deal with it.

So, full disclosure, I wasn’t a big fan of TFA either. Largely because of JJ’s stupid mystery box shenanigans and what I felt even then was a disservice to Luke’s character.

I mean...if you want to try and OBJECTIVELY critique the movie then it is very well made and shot. Most of the things wrong with it are pretty subjective. Even the extended Cantobite (sp?) sequence that has received so much hate has a reason to be in the film—to hammer home the theme and tone. Specifically, the theme…

Lol—I think we all have our fanboy nerves. Mine comes out when you start talking about the JJ Trek Reboot. Then I’ll go full NerdRage.

I 100% agree.

Lol, I mean...agree to disagree?

Okay?

Fair enough?

I’m not against that (although I will cringe when they do the Force Ghost family reunion scene at the end).

That’s honestly what Lucas was best at anyway.

I’m fine with the idea that Rey’s parent’s are nobody. I LIKE it, even. But if you’re going to make Rey’s parentage a thing (which both TFA and TLJ did), you needed to spend more time to pay it off.

That’s not really fair.

You aren’t wrong, but I would argue it’s pretty different.

Every problem in the prequels came down to poor acting and scripting. The overall plot was solid and the most mature thing in the Star Wars universe. The execution let it down.

Sure, but that doesn’t answer the question (disagreement?) fans really have— “how could Luke abandon the galaxy?”

I like the CONCEPT of it. But, like half the things people are complaining about about this movie, it needed more TIME. If this movie had spent 15 minutes on the Knight of Ren and Kylo’s relationship to Snoke then that moment would have been great. But...they didn’t.