I am a woman. I have never told a woman to smile but its people like you that give feminists a bad rap. Get a grip.

Lol. I didnt tell her to smile. I have just never seen her smile. Take a chip off. 

It’s actually not complaining about her not smiling enough. You’re literally just making that up in your head to have something to be upset about.

The point being that people involved in divorce always want to present themselves in the best possible light and, while Heard may have misrepresented or sanitized some of her own actions and may not be a ‘perfect victim’, even if Depp’s claims are true it does not exonerate him.

No, it IS all men.

When did anybody start talking about somebody needing to smile in order to please another person? I feel like you’re coming out of nowhere and arguing about something that nobody said in the first place. Nobody said Hailey Baldwin should smile more. Nobody said anyone should do anything. and before you go around…

That goon who keeps trying to get his hands on Sofia Vergara’s embryos can be his new best friend.

It’s also very possible they’re both abusive, manipulative, lying assholes. Or I guess in this case that they’re both being more or less honest about the other. My mom would get physically abusive with my dad when he was on a bender. He would gaslight her for weeks, hiding his booze, making excuses for his long hours…

Has Hailey Baldwin ever smiled?

I agree. I do think he was abused but that’s still no excuse.

Oh yeah, it’s still a shitty excuse. I’m just saying I think most kids would rather have the dull childhood than the one Jackson had.

Yeah, but I doubt it was much fun for Jackson. Especially with that father...

The “he didn’t have a childhood” excuse is stupid, but I really do wonder what happened to him as a kid.

Lisa Maria Presely said the same thing.  She said when the cameras were off he wasn’t this high pitched shy guy.  He was actually pretty aggressive and didn’t trust anyone.  And cursed a lot apparently.

No wonder he couldn’t sleep.

Michael Jackson crafted a persona as Peter Pan (right down to the name of his ranch) both as an expression of his never-grow -up sensibility and a cover for surrounding himself with young boys. A memorable thing was said on the night he died: Liza Minnelli, a close friend of his for many years, said it was an act;…

For sure. And to be clear, the likability of this filmmaker does not affect how much I believe these two men. I’m just now questioning how I feel about this actual doc that I previously thought would be an air-tight investigation into the stories.

His answer to that question really doesn’t skirt the answer: That footage, from people who were somewhat disconnected and did not have close relationships with Michael Jackson or his victims, was not as compelling as the footage of the victims and their families. That was literally his answer. The investigators were…

I see what you are saying, but don’t you think that getting to know these men, believing they were raped repeatedly, would make you a bit defensive of them - antagonistic towards those who doubt?

hmmm. I’ve been a life-long MJ fan and never thought the allegations were true. I thought he was just a weirdo who liked hanging out with kids because of his stunted mental state. But then when I heard about this documentary it did change my mind (though I haven’t seen it yet) simply because of the fact that: why…