Let's not get started on small businesspeople, the worst of whom are often down there with county sheriffs and the kinds of people who want to be in charge at PTA meetings when it comes to petty ignorance and authoritarian bullshit..

Oh,. I don't disagree. The Direct Market is just awful as a sales channel for exactly that reason, and it is totally something they did to themselves.

Because the Mafia controlled a lot of the distribution and they were sacred to piss them off, wasn't it?

They actually did try to make Darkhawk a serious character a few years back in the War of Kings crossover, and they tied his origin to the Shi'ar from the X-Men comics,

I don't think that's what StJonClark is saying; he's saying that when the real world is this shitty, having on of the few fictional characters who usually stands for a better way turn into a reflection of that shittiness is kind of a turn-off.

He's actually gone back to being the Falcon in this storyline itself, because he's disillusioned with the direction of the country.

Probably originally Baron Zemo's goofy purple hood. The one that was permanently glued to his face.

They never said directly, but on rereading the Ultimates, Mark Millar seemed like he was avoiding as much of the "main" Marvel Universe as possible in that first volume of the Ultimates.

Well, sorta. They definitely used a lot of Nazi-esque imagery even before Steranko added Strucker to the mix for a climactic reveal. All the "Hail Hydra" and special salutes and so forth predate the Strucker reveal by a few years.

I think the problem with this story is that Spencer is trying to write a story about current events and doing it so badly that people are noticing a lot of seemingly (hopefully?) unintended implications, many of which reflect pretty shitty ideas.

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Yes, it was clearly the reich post at the reich time.

Maybe I don't remember the original moves that well. Was i a big plot point that the Empire exterminated people based on species or whatever? As a kid, I always thought they blew up Alderaan because they were pissed that the Alderaanians were rebelling against them.

And at the same time, it has to be recalled that the Nazis lost the war for real reasons: Hitler's idea of how to run a war and a country put atrocities before everything else, and as footnote to being the great moral atrocity of modernity, was never actually going to create any kind of livable "empire" or…

I agree with what you're saying, but there is a reason marvel isn't pushing digital sales that hard. It's essentially that they locked themselves into the Direct Market int he 190s and 1990s at the expense of pretty much every other sales outlet, and they're still at a point where digital and bookstore sales aren't…

Unfortunately, Spencer just had Sam quite being Cap and go back to being the Falcon because he's disillusioned at the current state of America. It's a riff on Steve becoming Nomad int he aftermath of Watergate back in the 70s, only in a context that makes the plot idea look much worse to a lot of people.

Prior to The Force Awakens, I always felt like that was more the novels and comics than the movies. Stuff about the Empire wiping out non"human" aliens wasn't really made into a thing in the movies.

Since nobody asked or should care, my problem with the Kyle Rayner stuff wasn't the loss of Hal "Block O' Wood" Jordan, it was the destruction of all the other cool stuff about the Green Lantern mythos so Kyle could be "the Last GL" and so Ron Marz didn't have to write any of the other GL plot elements he didn't want…

I think it's awfully hard to separate Social Darwinism in the 1930s and 1940s from Nazism, and in-universe Marvel pretty consistently makes most of its Social Darwinist villains into literal or "in all but name" nazis eventually anyway.

The basic problem here is that Marvel started this arc, and a vocal segment of fans responded by telling Marvel they found the basic premise offensive (especially in the current political climate).