What has always pissed me off about these blue collar white folks is that they go on and on about welfare and entitlement programs but at the same time want the government to bring back their jobs. These folks who say less government is better, who say government always fucks things up, they are more than happy to…

I agree. And yet, I read a number of stories about how those folks overwhelmingly felt the government failed them and didn’t do enough to help them. Aren’t these the same folks who say government isn’t the solution to our problems?

They shouldn’t act racist and sexist if it makes them said to be called racist and sexist. I might not going to stop calling shit out just because it makes people sad.

This is what I’m wondering too. I’m not sure how a guy like Trump becomes a champion for these downtrodden people in the rust belt. Trump is the very embodiment of the rich, white factory owners who left these people behind. His party stands in direct opposition to everything that will benefit these people (decent…

That’s true too (and the union vote in Ohio and Michigan went something like 50/50 so you’re definitely not wrong). But in NC the klan is out celebrating in full regalia today, so it’s a little from column a and a little from column b.

It is a lot easier to determine the point of the switch. Working class rust belt whites have seen their communities getting worse while the rest of the country bounced back.

Right, we get that. But its not all this one thing or all this other thing. Its in somewhere in the middle, like it always is.

It’s entirely possible for people to be suffering economically and to feel legitimately ignored by the political class, and to also be fucking bigots. The former does not excuse the latter.

Continuing to ignore that core truth. there have been several articles over the last few weeks that stressed the reality that this was not about the economy. The people voting for Trump were mostly employed and not low income.

THIS. I have never met a more clueless band of morons than this electorate.

Stupidity, then? Because if they think their economic situation is going to get better with Donald fucking Trump at the helm, they are in for the dust-bowl-y shock of their lives. This election will almost undoubtedly led to another global recession.

The Republicans built a hell of a feedback loop, though. They repeatedly shit on working class whites, and then convince them that they’re covered in Democratic shit. The shit-covered working class whites vote more Republicans into office, and the cycle builds on itself.

The rust belt voted on the premise and promise that their jobs would be coming back. Let’s set this straight. They’re never coming back. Corporatists like Trump are first and foremost responsible for off shoring those manufacturing positions. You will reap what you sow.

I think the issue is that Hillary didn’t speak to them specifically as white people. Because she should not have needed to. Those ppl weren’t the only communities in the rust belt suffering. People in the next neighborhood over were going through the same thing, and worse.

By claiming racism, sexism, xenophobia, or other fun castigations, you are completely missing that these communities are reacting to their situation continuing to get worse.

two opposing views can be equally true. He’s racist sexist and xenophobic. So are the rust belt voters who voted for him. Their situation is also not getting better and Hillary could not speak to their concerns.

I guess the great crime here is that Hillary failed to offer up impossible and worthless platitudes to these folks. I don’t look down on working class people, my father certainly falls into that category. However, you’re selling snake oil to these people if you try to convince them that manufacturing is coming back as…

Weird how the only economic demographic Trump didn’t win was people making under $50k annually, but sure, this was “economic anxiety.”

yes, “Christians” who preach forgiveness for the adulterer but not for someone who sends emails.

well if you’re willing to vote for a racist, sexist xenophobe because be promises to wave his arms and bring back jobs, guess what? You’ve probably got a little racism, sexism and xenophobia going on.