The CW seems to like keeping Julie Plec on as a creative presence as well, so they may be trying to keep her happy until she develops another hit series. Plus they may be planning to add on some TVD characters now that that shows ended that could give them a slight ratings boost.

TVD was great in seasons 3 & 4 though (the only ones where Plec was the sole showrunner). And she was heavily involved in S6, which was great. I'm not sure if she and Williamson were really full time day to day showrunners on on S8 or not…. press releases made it sound like it but they didn't get much in the way of…

Jane the Virgin and Supernatural also get full season orders. I'm enjoying the shorter season breakdown though, it makes it easier to keep up with everything on there.

BUT THEN IT WOULDN'T BE MARKETABLE!!!!!

You're so right, Neil Gaiman totally ran out of ideas 60 pages into his book. Which is obviously why it's beloved and adapted into a tv show 16 years later.

Thanks for clearing that up! I thought it was weird I hadn't heard anything about it before.

I think the Christmas special was at least partially designed to get this issue out of the way from the start.

My point was that was told to him by someone in a dream/vision, so those events aren't necessarily reliable. Though given that Kevin didn't learn about Grace's children until AFTER that vision, it is likely that it was an actual vision of dead spirits, and that the man who spoke to Kevin met Chris Sunday in the…

I'd say plenty of humor came from Hannibal and Will, especially starting in Season 2. And Bedelia had some pretty funny moments in the final season.

I see a lot of people say Hannibal didn't have much humor, and that always completely confuses me. There were tons of ridiculous puns on that show, and the first half of Season 3 in particular was practically a full on comedy. Particularly the Hannibal/Bedelia scenes. The humor was very dry and played straight faced,…

I'd go on and read it: it's an average length book, but doesn't take too long to get through, plus it'll be fun to see what things they add or expand on, and how they foreshadow developments as the series progresses. Also they're apparently going to take 3 seasons to cover the book material, so you're very likely to…

Kind of hard to imagine Muth wouldn't take the role though, she hasn't acted since her stint on Hannibal.

I thought the opening was a pretty weak spot in the episode honestly, it made me a bit worried about how the overall quality of the show was going to be. It just didn't have the impact that it was going for and felt like a very 300-ized take on that bit from the novel. It all clicked in to place when McShane showed up…

Yeah Schreiber was the only casting choice I wasn't completely down with. He's a good actor but his Irish accent is mediocre at best and he's clearly not a redhead… he just seemed like a weird choice for this role, which is pretty reliant on national authenticity. I know he was a last minute replacement for Sean…

But you really think that a show that managed to be that entrancing and well written for so long is worthless or terrible because it had a disappointing ending? I just don't understand that attitude, it was top notch tv for years and years. That isn't a fluke.

Yeah I never understand it when people say something on this show is too Lost-like for them, as though that were automatically a bad thing. The whole approach to character development and episode structure on this show is very similar to Lost, as are a lot of other things. It's like people don't want to admit the…

It was supposed to be stupid: a lot of the episode was revealing how much self serving bullshit there truly is underneath Kevin Sr.'s "wise man" act. That monologue revealed he's just deranged, and if there actually is a big holy quest to be undertaken, he's completely missing out on it.

Apparently that was a complete accident as well, they actually were having issues with the lights. Lynch just incorporated that into the scene (as he did with MacLachlan accidentally calling the mortician by the wrong name).

Yeah I do kind of worry that it will move too slowly or that there will be a lot of subplots that are basically padding, since they apparently doubled the length of the series (and had a lot less time to write the new material than the original script).

It must have been a dream or a vision. When Grace shows up she says that she's there all on her own.